Obama NEVER said bayoneTS were not used today. He said FEWER were used than in 1916...which is true.

I agree with you amos. Governor Romney is dignified.

Here's your options people, Raja who is a reformer that isn't a career politician and who brings a fresh perspective, OR Matt Smith who is a Harrisburg politician that lied about taking a pension, voted for raising taxes on small businesses, and has voted for over 5 billion in new spending INCLUDING the Arlen Spectar Library AND funding for Jerry Sandusky's 2nd mile. YES THIS IS A VERIFIABLE FACT, MATT SMITH VOTED TO FUND JERRY SANDUSKY'S CHARITY AFTER THE ALLEGATIONS HAD BEEN MADE- Matt is too busy running for House, Senate, and being a full time attorney to read the legislation he's voting for OR he's so far in the back pockets of Education Unions that it's blinding. Please check for yourself and your own two eyes (Act 130 12/19/2011) (Capitol Budgets 2009-2011) .

Please make your decision wisely, Raja who is a reformer that isn't a career politician and who brings a fresh perspective, OR Matt Smith who is a Harrisburg politician that lied about taking a pension, voted for raising taxes on small businesses, and has voted for over 5 billion in new spending INCLUDING the Arlen Spectar Library AND funding for Jerry Sandusky's 2nd mile. YES THIS IS A VERIFIABLE FACT, MATT SMITH VOTED TO FUND JERRY SANDUSKY'S CHARITY AFTER THE ALLEGATIONS HAD BEEN MADE- Matt is too busy running for House, Senate, and being a full time attorney to read the legislation he's voting for OR he's so far in the back pockets of Education Unions that it's blinding. Please check for yourself and your own two eyes (Act 130 12/19/2011) (Capitol Budgets 2009-2011) .

I don'd define "dignified" as someone who fusses that "it's my turn!", and who repeatedly ignored moderators who tried to keep the debates on topic and on time.

Shirley says:"funding for Jerry Sandusky's 2nd mile. YES THIS IS A VERIFIABLE FACT, MATT SMITH VOTED TO FUND JERRY SANDUSKY'S CHARITY AFTER THE ALLEGATIONS HAD BEEN MADE..."

You mean the $3 million that CORBETT personally approved for Second Mile?
Well Second Mile gave $640 of their money to Corbett's campaign.
Where's the buck stop, hey?

I have to agree with you

Yes, you are right, the Republicans have been very cooperative and respectful to the President the last four years.
- Placing party above progress.
- Refusing to negotiate, ever.
- Causing, according to S&P, the US credit rating to downgrade.
- Refusing to give him credit for creating 5,000,000 jobs, rescuing the auto industry, saving our economy from reckless policies, ending 2 wars, keeping us safe...they are such a fun bunch.

@ Steve - How much respect did Obama deserve after he told them to sit in the back of the bus the first two years while he and Pelosi rammed every God-forsaken spending package they could through Congress without even reading them!

You want to give him credit for "saving or creating" jobs when it didn't even match population growth? Are you serious? He spent 6 trillion dollars and never even passed a budget. Reports show that some of those "jobs" he created cost well over $100,000 a piece and many of the companies ended up going bankrupt after he burned through the cash. That's waste. Plain and simple. And of course you realize that nearly 750,000 of those 5 million jobs were temporary census-related jobs right?

In respect to the auto industry, he played favoritism with the unions. They should have had to enter bankruptcy protection and restructure just like anyone else. He didn't "save the industry" he saved his cronies from losing money. Ford weathered the economy just fine. The government shouldn't pick winners and losers in the private economy by using taxpayer dollars.

He also didn't end Afghanistan yet, so you can't say he ended two wars. His policies have also helped create more instability in the Middle East while at the same time alienating israel, so that's hardly a net gain.

Matt, Much of the stimulus was tax cuts. Isn't that what all the Repubs wanted? Obama DID engage the Repubs, they just told him to go away and they would not give him ONE single vote. Their goal was to make Obama a one term President. They said it and they tried their best to do it. They did not have a filibuster proof majority: Lieberman doesn't count, Ted Kennedy was dying, and Tim Johnson just had a stroke. Don't make stuff up, they did not control government.
The irony of it is that hard core Dems wanted him to work without the Repubs, but Obama tried and it was not successful and then they blamed him when things didn't work.
I would strongly disagree with your middle east assessment. The people have risen up and demanded Democracy...all with no American military loss of life, and we did not have to spend 7 trillion dollars. Iran is weak and Israel is safe.

@ Steve - With all due respect, you are simply wrong. The Democrats certainly had a filibuster-proof majority the first two years of Obama's presidency. That's why they were able to ram through the stimulus, omnibus, and Obamacare. They peeled off one or two Republicans (Rhino) votes just to try and make it look bi-partisan, but that was a farce.

In respect to the stimulus being tax cuts, that's just wrong. They handed out money left and right to anyone who had requested it. The shovel-ready jobs never materialized, they burned through the cash, and now we (and our children) will be paying interest on that to China for decades to come.

You are correct in saying that after all of this the Republicans did vote against future spending. Once Republicans regained the House. It was time to put an end to the reckless spending.

Matt .... I agree with you as well. I heard a political ad (so sick of all of them by now) today with Obama saying he has a plan for jobs jobs jobs, etc. and that he will use that plan when he is re-elected to create jobs. When will they understand that the president DOES NOT create jobs .... it is not the role of the government to create jobs (unless they are government jobs). It is the government's role to keep taxes low to keep the economy going so that people can create jobs.

And, what I really thought was interesting from this ad ... he says he has a plan he will implement ..... wait a minute ..... he's been in there for just short of four years .... what is or has taken him so long to implement his plan? Why did he wait until now>? I am an independent. I am not a fan of Obama, never have been and never will be given what has gone on regarding Libya. But .... had he "implemented" his plan and the country was in better shape with less (a lot less) unemployment, lower gas prices, and I was able to become employed ... I might have actually thought about a vote for him. That is not happening. He needs to go.

Please do not call me a racist or an Obama basher. I am neither. I am just sick of it all.

"On top of that there have been multiple fact-checks that show Obama blatantly lied during the debate. Romney was presidential. He was the grown up in the room."

In which debate did Romney NOT lie?

The blind leading the blind. Sounds like a song I heard when growing up. W0rds, words, words. I can't believe all I have read about Romney. If he is the one, then why all the hollow words defending him to be our next president. The fact checkers have caught him in many lies about when he was Governor and many about President Obama. No one's perfect but just think of all things you are going to be paying for and lose that benefit all including the 47percent he is writing off. Does he have your interest at heart or something that money can buy. Wake up America.

Listening to the debates is like listening to the talking heads - pointless. Look at their voting records. Look at what they have actually done. Base your decision on what they do not what they say.

Well Ed since obama is out to destroy the United States over the last 4 years it is easy to decide who to vote for

I would really like to know what Obama meant by his statement to Medvedev when talking about missile defense. What is the "flexibility" he would show to Putin?

Mo - are you saying Obama acted like a republican?

Erin,

You are aware that Doug Sheon is a Democrat.

Yes, Peggie. His information is listed right next to his name in the article, and I can read very well. His quote was in a piece for Fox News.

Do you feel Doug being a Democrat contributing Fox News takes away from my point at all? Because with all due respect I am failing to see yours.

FYI, I am voting for neither Obama nor Romney in the upcoming election. Maybe you thought that was worth pointing out because you assumed I was a democrat.

Both CNN and Fox News should be avoided at all times. They both have agendas that involve telling us what to think and supporting a particular political party. Herd mentality on both sides.

Erin, I was watchiing CNN last night after the debate and they were saying the same thing, including Candy Crowley, as did either CBS or NBC (I'm not sure which I was switching around). So, it wasn't just FNC that thought Romney came off as presidential. Sorry, if you need me to search for the exact quotes, it will have to wait until tonight. I don't have time right now.

There cannot be a dumber person in American than the one who still intends to vote for another Obama term!
Anyone who puts their political party ahead of the survival of their Country is a complete and abject idiot!
The facts are now crystal clear. THIS will be the LAST election which will give us a final chance to salvage the future of the USA...and it will still take a herculean effort and some real pain to do it.
IF you choose to vote for Obama, you might as well just shout that you despise America and wish to see her collapse and fall. That WILL happen if Obama gets four more years to destroy us. He may only need his final year in this term to do it.
Obama, the Democrats, the Media and the Meddlers (Soros and the like) are all to blame...along with everyone who still supports Obama and his failed Marxist policies. If you vote for Obama, then be sure to go to your children and tell them, "I just killed America and your future.".

People should not watch CNN or Fox. They are very literally being paid by these political parties. Amber Lyons, former CNN correspondent has revealed some truly horrific governmental control over CNN broadcasts.

Please remember, that I have not watched any television commentary on the debate at all. I did not hear the word "presidential" until I read this thread. I immediately knew where it came from and was able to find multiple Fox quotes from last night using the exact phrases used here in this thread. How could I have known that?

But this is all really trivial.

But you actually bring up a good point. I am sure that you can find CNN Republican correspondents that will say Romney was "presidential" just as you will find Democratic correspondents on Fox News saying that Obama won the debate.

But where is the substance? Why would both of these major news stations even be focusing on Romney's demeanor? It was a foreign policy debate and sounded almost identical to the debate between Reagan and Carter 30+ years ago, and the American people are satisfied with this!? You have two news stations feeding us drivel, you have two presidential candidates feeding us drivel. The candidates are supposed to be offering us two different approaches to foreign policy, but they really seem to be shooting for the same end goal using many of the same methods to get there.

At least Reagan and Carter could admit it was about control over resources.

I switch around between all the stations Erin. I do it for pure entertainment value. It amazes me how so may 'experts" can watch the same speech or debate and hear entirely different things. I also do it for another reason. I feel it is important to understand how other people think; whether you agree with them or not. It gives you quite a bit of insight into how people get their views in the first place. Weren't you doing the same thing when you went to FNC and pulled quotes to post here? besides, there are some pundents that are just d....n entertaining even if you don't agree with a word the say. James Carville, Hannity, and C Mathews come to mind. For you to suggest no one should listen to these networks assumes that the rest of us can't think on our own. I love listening to these guys after the debates. Now the conventions are another story. I can't put up with 3 or 4 days of it and so I watch on CSPAN.

And the reason the commentators focused on Romney's "being presidential" is that many believe that the "undecideds" aren't going to vote based on foriegn affairs. they are going to vote on the economy. And as, long as Romney didn't put his foot in his mouth and could look "presidential' his upward trend in the polls will continue. The debate last night wasn't to change any minds. It was to pull in the votes of the 5 or 6 percent who haven't decided. I'm sure that is why Romney totally dodged the first question on Libya> His goal was not to be confrontational during the debate, and certainly not to start out that way..

I don't disagree with you anywhere there Sue. I read comments here to get other viewpoints. That is the number one reason that I participate on these things.

So let me rephrase. You should not watch these stations for news or anything like the truth. Watching them simply to laugh is fine.

Excuse me if I am cynical towards the majority of television news viewers. I think you can understand why. Just check out some of the comments about Fox News on this thread.

I would not say the "only" reason they lack saying anything in particular about Romney's foreign policy is because people only care about the economy. I think most people can understand that our foreign policy has a direct impact on our economy. More so even than a lot of things people try to pin on the president of this country...any president and not just Obama. Foreign Policy has the president's direct influence and operates under his direct control...and is one of our greatest expenditures. and then you have sanctions, trade embargoes, etc...

Why not go back to the Lincoln-Douglas debates. The issue was of course different, but even then the media had a lot to do with what people think. Even though television was not the source of information, the written word was manipulated much as it is today. I did not assume anything about your party affiliation, but I admire Doug Scheon because he calls it as he sees it (what can be called fair and balanced). We have got to stop fighting each other in this Country. It is part of the reason Congress has been so ineffective. One of Abraham Lincoln's great speeches includes the quote from the bible, "a house divided against itself, cannot stand". What made this Country great is people working together. I hope you don't give up your vote. We have to work with one of them.

Well, I support neither candidate and also have eyes, and I can say that I saw a completely different debate than you. I also do not watch television news.

I think what you meant to say was "the message resounded across the right wing networks." Because that is their job. They are paid to support a candidate. CNN is paid to support Obama and the left wing. Fox news is paid to support the right wing and Romney.

Honestly, to me, with only having read that Fox News article that I posted as media influence, I thought Romney was whiney and unimpressive with that really disturbing half-smirk that he has taken on as if he is trying to remind himself to smile (as this was the way Reagan carried himself and Romney was coached to behave this way).

Obama was obviously coached to be more aggressive. He laughed a lot too. I did not really get anger from Obama.

None of these differences in perception really matter of course. My opinion on the actual approaches that each candidate is taking towards the Middle East is above.

Matt you are totally correct. If you did not know that Romney was running against obama you would of believed Romney spent the last 4 years in office instead of obama. I have watched all 3 debates and Romney though all of them was calm as obama was on attack mode in all 3 debates. I definitely believe now that Romney is the best candidate for President of the United States.

Erin for the last 3-5 months you have been preaching that obama is the best thing since sliced bread and now you don't support either candidate (rolls eyes). If you weren't truly supporting either one of them then you would of been listing the pro and con's of both men as you did neither, you just bragged about what a great man obama was.

CC, you mean like in this comment that I posted about 7 comments above?

And I quote me talking about the foreign policy of BOTH candidates as presented in last night's debate, neither in a positive light:

"Romney's plan is for America to choose Syria's government, arm people who support the American chosen government, and somehow magically do this without USA military intervention. Not only are we buying this, but we are criticizing others for questioning Romney's plan for the Middle East. Why did Obama bring up the 80s? Because the USA attempted this over and over again in the 80s (and the 60s, 70s, and 90s, but possibly most notably in the 80s with Reagan) in Central America and the Middle East. It never worked.

Obama says that we have to cooperate with the rest of the world, allow the Middle East to run their own countries, and probably not arm them (though the Obama admin is arming other govts with awful leaders such as Bahrain).

I can just imagine someone from Syria, or anywhere in the Middle East, watching our two candidates arguing over how best to run the Middle East. How completely arrogant."

(rolls eyes)

" Obama scowled and grimaced when he wasn't speaking,"

So did a lot of viewers who could not stomach the Rmoney show.

So, in your alternate universe, which I'm certain is oh-so " progressive", Romney was both "wishy washy" and "wimpy", yet at the same time "mean spirited, racist,homphobic, lying" as well?
Did you even watch last night's debate, or are you just blabbering the same tired cliches that those who think so highly of the Annointed One are apt to do?
There was NO discussion of gay rights or racial issues in last night's debate, or are you one that construes any criticism of Barry Hussein as "racist"?
Yeah, Romney's a two bit politician, unlike your sad excuse for a hero. Gee, it can't be a coincidence that Obama gave his blessing to gay marriage, and opened up Caesar Chavez's home as a National Monument this year. Why, this could not be pandering to two political groups could it? Not from our planet's savior, and most deserving Nobel Peace Prize winner?

The last resort of the defeated liberal... to claim racism and homophobia. It's encouraging to conservatives every time you do that because it means that we've won the real argument based on the content of our discussion.

Rusty - you hit the nail on the head!

James, I'm so sorry and distressed that both you and Erin KNOW that Obama's less dangerous than Romney, yet neither of you will act to prevent a Romney win! If you can't bring yourself to "consciously" vote for Obama, I sure as h!!! hope you'll be able to bring yourselves to UNconsciously vote for him! If Mittens gets in there the country will be set back decades on social issues for one thing. Get off the idealistic cloud, the both of you, and HELP US to stop Romney from getting into the White House! The arch-conservatives & Teabaggers have said all they need Romney for is to sign their legislation! Wake up and be responsible!

@nofire. - The condescending attitude of liberals never ceases to amaze me. You profess to care about your fellow human beings and try to use that platform to say that you are better than conservatives. Yet, at every opportunity you use derogatory terms like "teabaggers" to try and win an argument because you can't do it on substance.

MItt Romney will move us forward with the economy. He will not weaken our military. His track record of social issues is more centrist than most conservatives prefer. All you have spouted is talking points and empty cliches. It's just like Obama during the debates.

At the end of the day if people want someone who will actually develop strategies, monitor their implementation, and make changes along the way to yield the best results, than they should vote for Romney. He has a business mindset of practical application of sound principles. Obama uses economic theory. Obama had four years and dug us deeper into debt, reduced our energy independence, and worsened our International relations. It's time to put a bipartisan leader in the Oval office who truly knows how to tackle issues head-on so that we can get bring our country back from the brink.

Matt, you have multiple "conservatives" (I don't know how ppl can call Romney this) calling people "dumocraps," calling Obama "obummer," and liberals idiots, etc just on this thread. Lets be realistic with the demonizing of liberals or anyone who does not think like you.

no fire, You raise a concern that I definitely have, and I suppose that I have to say that I am not convinced that as far as foreign policy is concerned, Romney would do much different. You saw the debate. Romney admitted as much. Obama says that he does not want to arm terrorizing governments, but he is as we type. He is signing legislation that increases executive power and allows for the detention of American citizens without trial. Romney agrees with all of this as well. Both parties force me to support these illegal wars in the Middle East via my taxes or I will have my possessions and freedom taken away....so tell me how I can vote for Obama. Please. Bc I agree...Romney is worse. I think we might disagree on the degree. Romney's attitude towards public education is scary as well...and welfare...but these institutions still have a fair amount of state control. Foreign policy is directly the president.

Imagine if the American people stepped away from the television, stopped demonizing each other, & voted according to how they would like this country actually to be run. For once an American citizen might actually be protecting the freedom of American citizens.

Erin, just out of curiosity, why are Romney's views on education scary? He wants it taken out of the federal governments hands and put back to the local and state governments. It wasn't until around 1980 that the federal government became so actively involved in the education system. I honestly think most kids got a better education before that. But that's not the case in your area. But it certainly was where I lived in Michigan and this part of PA I'm in now.

Public education is an issue that I have been struggling with a lot lately. There are people who are liberty minded that want to see public schools as a thing of the past bc they indoctrinate the students and the education is sub par bc it caters to the lower denominator, and all that jazz that we have heard before. I don't disagree with any of it exactly, but the issue is much more complicated.

All Romney has said about education in the debates is that he wants to "grade" public schools and reward/punish schools based on standardized testing. We have seen this before. It failed. Voucher systems are not realistic as they direct all of the money to a select few schools, and those top schools cannot possibly take all of the children that wish to go there. These are public schools so Romney can talk about creating competition all he wants, but I think we all know that the one with the most money creates the prettiest product.

Yeah, in my area public education is improving even from when I was in school. There is increased revenue in my area. Funding for schools is a difficult subject for me bc I do not think that someone with no children that does not use the public school system should have to pay school taxes. They are paying for a product they don't use. Society is changing & it is no longer justifiable to make ppl pay into this institution. But where does the money come from then? I don't know.

cont...

So with the Republican voucher system and the liberty minded complete privatization plan, I cannot really jump on board with either. The public education system is flawed for sure, but I have worked in inner city elementary schools in San Francisco, and these totally poverty stricken schools are gorgeous, and the teachers are amazing, but their hands are tied teaching government education that only ensures the kids can pass the standardized test. You can literally see these teachers cringing at the start of these five paragraph essay lessons that take up half of the day. But these teachers are also entwined in these children's lives (mind you that i was in a poor area of san francisco so most of these children had parents that did not speak/read English and were blue color laborers), and this school was the center of these kids world. I mean...this experience really blew me away. Being such a typical little white woman I would see ppl hanging outside of the school thinking they looked like these thugs or crazy homeless people, and they were parents, and I got to know them and they were great parents. There was an old asian man with extremely long hair smoking an exotic looking cigarette who spooked me out when I was leaving the building...He was a third grade teacher and a damn good one too.

Sorry this is so long, but you need to know that I am coming from all perspectives here.

Why is Romney's plan scary? I have already seen what No Child Left Behind did to these amazing teachers and these kids. Vouchers will do nothing but hurt that school even more. I am telling you. This school puts every elementary school in this area to shame. Every one. It the most beautiful building with art everywhere and diversity and multiple languages...That school is my ideal for an American public school but with more money & a curriculum independent of standardized testing.

So I have concluded (not very much for all of that response) that public education needs to go forward and evolve...not regress. The government should be out of the education. ie: the curriculum needs to be private. teachers unions are not the enemy, they are a total scapegoat. Everything else about the current system is getting somewhere...slowly...

Just look at how many kids go to college now? The number grows yearly. It is awesome. I had an old boss tell me the only thing she learned in college was that gay people weren't immoral, sexual deviants. That lesson is worth every penny. That is evidence of an improved education system despite everything else.

There is a lot of truth to the some members of the Republican party wanting not to lose their unskilled laborer base bc without that base they cannot thrive. Everyone being educated ruins that base. This is historical political structure stuff. I am sure the democratic party is guilty of this as well & even some in the libertarian.

Look up ALEC, and their proposed legislation. This is a group that does not just lobby, they write legislation for their education task force that is primarily made up of republican politicians. They are funded from big corporations. Why would these corporations fund a "task force" to write legislation for public schools? They are big fans of taking school online and are responsible for no limits on private higher education online school facilities stuff like that...

I do not appreciate corporations and the wealthiest of the wealthy buying their way into public education legislation. And no I do not hate the wealthy.

This is all pretty generalized stuff, but I have typed way too much already.

So yeah...That is why Romney's "plan" for public education scares me.

another winded writing which could of been summed up in a paragraph. Don't quit your day job.

Fox is the only news outlet worth watching. Mo says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYsGCNMdvzU&list=PLF1F883A8AA8473F7&index=1&feature=plpp_video

you are so right Ellie Obama's hope and change have givens us change that is ruining our country and if he gets reelected no hope for the future

Did you think that if you repeat the same thing over and over someone will swallow that hyperbole, Ellie not-soEnlightened?

You speak the truth.

Tony it it the few democrats that tries to convince everyone that obama is doing a great job for the United States. obama looked the the psycho that he is in all 3 of the debates and how he perceives himself to the people of the United States.

Pathetic is attacking your opponent because you don't have any of your own success to speak of. It's like the child in class who told their parents that other kids got "F's" when he got a "D." A true leader would be showing how his policies helped America get an "A." Obviously Obama's policies were a failure, otherwise he would be bragging about them.

For the record, I supported Romney over McCain the first go-round against Obama, so I have no idea what you are talking about. In respect to calling Pennsylvania a "Mississippi of the North" I suggest you move if you don't like it here. We are hard-working, God loving, patriots who don't take kindly to false claims of racism. And we certainly don't like seeing the president destroy our children's future through a reckless fiscal policy and a willingness to strip our military budget in a dangerous world.

What has happened to this country during the last four years that is so bad?

Also, what is the "something better" that Romney can offer us?

@ Francis. - Since you asked.
1. Obama set a record for 42 straight months of unemployment above 8%.
2. He has alienated Israel, one of our strongest allies. He denies this of course, but Israel's (Benjamin Netanyahu will tell you otherwise.
3.He promised to reduce our national debt by 50% by the end of his first term. Instead he raised it by 6 trillion, which is more than Bush did in 8 years while we were fighting two wars.
4. He's lied repeatedly about the death of Americans in Benghazi.
5. Tensions in the Middle East have only gotten worse.
6. Gas prices have doubled since he's been in office.
7. They are getting ready to strip the military budget by $1 trillion through sequestration. And even though Obama tried to deny it last night they are already backpedaling.
8. Kids coming out of college have huge debt from loans, but no jobs to go into.
9. He's waged a class war for the past few years to victimize the working class and promoting redistribution of wealth. In other words, using taxes to take from earners to give to those who are not working. We have social programs in place to help those who are going through a hard time. Raising taxes on job creators will simply drive more businesses overseas or force them to have lay-offs to maintain their bottom line.

These are just a few points off the top of my head.

But what is it that Romney can do BETTER?

I agree 100%. Obama alienates our allies while sucking up to people who historically don't like us. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

There is a very scary stories in the news that Russia wants Alaska back and they will have it before obama is out of office "MOSCOW – 144 years after selling Alaska to the U.S., Russia wants it back.

March 30 marked 144 years since the day when Russia sold Alaska to the United States for five cents per hectare. The adequate agreement was signed at 4 a.m. by the Russian Ambassador to Washington Eduard Stoeckl.

The government of Alexander II sold the huge territory of over 1.5 square kilometers for $7.2 million, gold (11 million rubles, gold).

Now, Vladmir Putin wants Alaska back and he’s told Pravda that he will make it happen before Obama is out of office.

Back in 1867, many Russians were perplexed as to why the government sold the territory which the people of the country had been developing for 126 years. Many in the country were surprised that the selling price for Alaska was so low." http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/31394/russia-wants-alaska-back/

This is the best thing cc has posted here ever, if cc has become a comedian that is.
Quoting weeklyworldnews.com as if it were a legitimate NEWS source?
LOL!
Oh Magoo (aka cc) you've done it again! LOL!
and don't forget BAT BOY! hahahahaha!!!
Extry extry read all about it!
http://weeklyworldnews.com/about/

OMG, apparently this has been up for two days and the Romney people just swallowed the whole weeklyworldnews nonsense!!!!!!!! It must remind them of FOX.
Do you people ever check your sources?

Bob,Bob,Bob, you poor thing- B.O. and the Leftist zombies have REALLY done a number on you.You are doing the same thing you accuse the Right of doing- name calling, insults and propaganda. You have obviously bought into the lies, coverup and treasonous acts of the Left.You have an outright prejudice against Mormons-And bets are you consider yourself a 'good ' Christian.Do you feel the same with Obama's "I'm a Muslim, No, I'm a Christian stance" ? Romney took Mass. from # 48 in the state for jobs,education,and social programs to the top ten-with and WITHOUT Democrats help- [the Dems DID succeed in putting Massachussetts 48th in the first place] .He is a successful businessman- he KNOWS how to create jobs, balance the budget, and make a profit. When did employers become so evil to you all on the Left ?
No one will be able to help you, because you, like so many other on the Left,are'nt interested in the truth. You swallow the propaganda B.O. feeds and tries to spit it out at the rest of us who know better. God help you.

If you fact check the debates Obama was caught in multiple lies over and over again. He has no problem lying to the public. This is obvious when you look at the Benghazi cover-up.

While Romney was at Bain Capital they lifted up some businesses while others failed. This is the nature of a free-market. However, they did this with their own money. Obama uses tax-payer dollars to pick winners and losers in the green energy industry. He also invested it in foreign companies. He has spent around 90 Billion dollars and many of these companies have already gone bankrupt. You either believe in a free-market economy or you don't. If not, move to a communist country and see how much you like it.

Finally, Romney's company operated within the parameters of the law. If not, he would have been arrested. If what he did was so bad, why didn't Obama and the Democrat majority who controlled the House and Senate for two full years institute a change? I'll tell you why, it's because they also have investments that benefit from the current state of the system. If they really care about loopholes they would have closed them when they had full control of the government.

Obama likes to try and say that Republicans caused this mess, yet Republicans were powerless to stop the reckless spending for two full years. If you want to look where the blame lies, look to Democrats like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd and others...

Give it a rest Bob, I think you know so much about the condition because you are afflicted with it. You should self diagnose and self-medicate because you are delusional.

James, I wish you had'nt thrown your vote away, but I respect your choice.Hopefully in the near future, we will have a Third or even a FOURTH party. But right now, this election is too damned important.

I have been citing facts and statistics throughout this blog. You have chosen to prefer "willful ignorance" over accepting the realities of a failed Obama administration. Continue to live in your dream world where you think everything is fine with $4 a gallon gas, massive long-term unemployment, unprecedented growth of welfare, massive government expansion, crushing debt, failure to pass annual budgets, reduction in domestic energy production, alienation of Israel, acceptance of lies from the administration, class warfare, racial division as a political tactic, reduction of military force, government intrusion in the private sector, cronyism, the overriding of Congress through "executive order", massive turmoil in the Middle East because of weak foreign policy... the list goes on and on

If these stark realities aren't facts enough that Obama has to go, you need more help than I already thought. But go ahead living in your fantasy world where you think the rest of us are delusional. It's laughable.

Thank you, Bob, for proving the Right's truth all along- Liberalism really is a mental disorder. I laughed after reading your arrogant, pompous remarks aimed at any and all who don't think like you. And the psychosis of that is that you honestly think you're correct. You really do, you poor thing. You fully expect us to believe some idealogues idea as to why people think like they do ? Did it EVER occur to you that we feel the same about you ? Of course you don't- THAT'S where your mental illness comes into play. The Left tries to denigrate and isolate the Right because that's what Alinsky, along with Soros,Daily Beast, Huff-HOs,Mother Jones,Obama,Axelrod,Gibbs,Jarrett and Msnbc has instructed you to do. My God, it must be a heavy burden to be you. Poor thing.

Larry King ?! That old Progressive needs to take his Depends and go sit on his porch.Very few, with any hope for this country, are interested in the Green Party. I personally just want this Statist/Marxist out of the White House.
As for education- Record amounts are being paid to teachers and their unions and scores continue to fall.. California's schools are over run with illegal immigrants [no taxes paid there ] and on the verge of collapse. B.O. touts public schools but has his precious 2 in an elite, private one- at the same time ending the voucher system for other parents-forcing their children into substandard schools. TYPICAL Leftist- Do what I say-never mind what I do. And you don't think you should pay school taxes ?! How many people in your situation paid them so YOU could go to school? And kids now will pay as adults when the next generation goes to school. You REALLY did'nt realize that ?

Not a leftist, and I can tell you that I don't want you or your money having anything to do with my children's education. I don't want my children anywhere near you or your children. I don't want anything to do with paying for your family's education. I don't want your money or influence having anything to do with that amazing school full of amazing "illegal immigrants." It is a shame that we cannot deport the extraordinarily hateful and venomous...but I of course should not pass that kind of judgement. You stay in your corner with your money, and I will be in those California family's corner every single time.

And sorry to disappoint, but Obama is most likely going to win PA. Philadelphia supported Obama with almost 600,000 votes in the 2008 election. Obama won PA by 600,000 votes. Obama won Pittsburgh by 100,000 votes, but even if Pittsburgh were to go Romney (based on the signs in the city, I doubt it), Philadelphia will win Obama PA.

Nothing is guaranteed, but I would not put any money on Romney winning PA.

Not only would I not put any money on Romney winning PA, Romney chose not to put any money on winning PA. He pulled his advertising from PA a long time ago.

I would be shocked if Romney won PA Erin, but I do expect it to be a lot closer race than 4 yrs ago. There were a lot of first-time voters that caught Obama-fever, so i just don't expect the democratic turnout to be as high as 2008, But it won't drop enough to give Romney a win. As far as the discussion on taxes teachers schools, I won't get into it except to say as far as education goes, I think that should be left to the local and state government. The reason it was was raised to the federal level in the 80's was to equalize the quality of education across the country. That has been a huge failure. One cut I would love to see in the federal government is the Department of Education. Give the power back to the communities to decide what is right for their families.

@ Erin - I grew up in PA on the east side of the state about an hour outside of Philadelphia. That is the primary area of the state where Obama will get his support. It is also the most crime-ridden, welfare dependent, area of our great state. (Black Panther voter suppression) If you visit the west side of the state where more people actually work for a living you will see tons of Romney support. The bottom line is, those who want to continue living off of the working class or relying on government handouts (which we borrow from China to provide) will vote for Obama again. Those who want smaller government and more self-reliance will vote for Romney. It's as simple as that.

Oh agreed Sue T on the election. 100%.

Yeah, I don't disagree about education entirely as you saw from my book above. I don't think I would pinpoint the need for public education exactly in the 80s. After Brown vs. Board, states were rebelling against integration and the federal government had to continually get involved which I think is a factor for where we ended up in the 80s. So when I think of school going back to localized governments and giving the power to the majority population...I have visions of re-segregation in rural areas, etc. Look at Texas redoing their history books to put slavery in a more positive light and to disassociate the founding fathers from slavery...In the name of instilling patriotism. So is federal or state govt responsible? But yeah, the Dept of Ed can go or at least get much, much smaller.

these systems could be so great. They are just not run by people who care about the individual liberties of citizens with critical thinking capabilities. We are all a working force and a societal unit to be molded for our own benefit. Look at people who push marriage legislation because they worry that if gay couples are allowed to wed children will be massively influenced against societal norms. Or the Department of Defense hiring historians to write books. This stuff can get very creepy.

Matt, I can't really have a conversation with you as the large majority of what you say comes from propaganda from your political party. You might be interested to know that Red States are the most dependent on government assistance. California, blue since forever with all of these illegal immigrant children taking over schools, pays the most back to federal government. ie: they give more than they take. Texas takes more than it gives and is a drain.

Now, I need to apply this information usefully, making every attempt to remain neutral as far as political parties are concerned.

@ Erin - To be honest, I am so over this entire thread, but I'll give one final response and then I will cease to follow it. You cite California as an example of success yet one city after the other in California becomes insolvent due to liberal policies. They are fortunate that big businesses have set up shop on the West Coast so that they have a large tax base to pull from, but they spend every tax dollar they bring in and more, otherwise these cities would not be going bankrupt.

I am sick and tired of Democrats masquerading as "neutral" while spouting liberal propaganda of their own and then trying to act like they are intellectually honest when they attack conservative ideals and statistics. The facts are simple, Obama's policies have failed miserably. Anyone with eyes should be able to recognize this simple fact that is evident by record unemployment, crushing debt, government expansion, greater dependence on foreign fossil fuels, greater unrest in the Middle East, class warfare, unprecedented growth of welfare, the list goes on and on. Liberals can try to convince the public all day long that the sky is green and the grass is blue, but people with intellect and vision recognize the truth that is in plain view. I am done with this blog and am choosing not to follow it any further. I've wasted enough time and energy on this...

You are right. I am a secret socialist/liberal out to trick all of you into voting for Obama so that he can sell America to the Russians and run with the money back to the Middle East where he can finally be free...to hate America. Hopefully that nice presidential businessman can save us all before the evil Muslim sicks his Black Panther gangs on our babies.

@ Bob - I'm glad you realized that you were being irrational and decided to step away. You were, after all, the one trying to accuse us of having a mental disorder. Typical liberal. Attack other people and then whine when we don't roll over.

Can't say I'm sorry to see you go. Don't cry too hard when Obama loses.

Ditto with Matt. Bye- Bye, Bob. Get those meds checked !

Romney/Ryan-SAVING Medicare/ Medicaid/ Social Security for our children and grandchildren. For too long, both sides have used the money put aside for these as their piggy bank to fund pork. B.O. stole 700 billion from Medicare to pay for his Obamacare. Listen to the Right once in awhile-get BOTH sides.

You guys should know by now that liberals only repeat what they are told over and over by the liberal media.

Ask any liberal to explain a statement and you only get angry retorts and more talking points.

There's 3 types of liberals:
1. Those who mean well.
2. Those who are apologetic for their success and will do or say anything to garner praise while pretending to be compassionate for those less fortunate.
3. Those who are blind or willing parrots who blame everyone else for all their shortcomings.

Unfortunately there's not many in the "#1" camp, because they ultimately become wise once they start putting the puzzle together themselves and end up either as a conservative or #3.

Again, Matt, you failed the test to challenge my statement that the racists took over your party. Seems to me you love to talk and it doesn't mean a thing to you as long as it agrees with your little view of the world. Apparently it is from a lack of knowledge on the subject presented to. In fact, I addressed MO directly and you came into it. I had hoped that it was your research that proved me wrong but alas, just another attack as I predicted. What passes for facts in your life really is a mystery, I just hope your medical videos are not as slanted in reality as your political posturing.

I will offer the challenge to you and your partner in crime Bonita it again, Prove me wrong when I said the racists in the Democrat Party took over the Republican Party.

I still don’t think either one will accept or complete the challenge. It is not in their talking points memo of the day.

@ Bob - Ok, one last post and I'm finished. Conservatives promote self-reliance. Democrats promote government dependence. Examples of African American leaders in the Democrat party are Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Examples of African Amercian leaders in the Republican party are Col Allen West and Condoleeza Rice. If that doesn't speak volumes I don't know what does.

You make these baseless claims that Republicans are racist or "hijacked" but you provide no evidence yourself. You make this broad statement and expect us to find proof for you since you can't cite any examples on your own. It's a lazy way to try to win an argument, It's the same ideology of most liberals. Take from those who produce, or ask them to produce for you, and then whine like a baby when they don't want to do the work for you. And when that fails, you use the tool of government to forcibly take from the working class so you can have for free what they have earned... it's pathetic. Next time you want to try and win an argument do your own homework, don't whine that others won't do it for you.

I think he is speaking historically Matt. The history of the Republican and Democratic parties. Google that. Between the mid 1800s and the mid 1900s the two parties kind of switched in their idea of the appropriate scope of government and social issues. At one time the Democratic party was opposed to civil rights for black people, etc. Jim Crow laws were the Democrats. I think it was in the 1930s that the Democratic party began to be an advocate for civil rights. So the Southern Democrats jumped ship and hijacked the Republican party that was now opposed to the New Deal and expansion of government. I could have messed something up there, so feel free to verify anything that I have said.

I need to spend more time reading up on this span of time (I am typically focused on the 18th century) because I often think that we are in the middle of the another political party merge/change. My prediction is the Democratic party and the Republican party merge, with the Libertarian party eventually becoming the representation for small government and the middle class.

Bonita please refrain from the meds as I can only assume you are loaded with them, both for medicinal and recreational purposes. Why else keep mentioning it. You could be the poster child for “Projection”.

Lady, where did I say mentally ill?????

“Lost credence with you” is totally false, to lose something, one must also have possession of it, and just by all your statements being negative proves that you are wrong again.

I challenged you on the right to prove me wrong with facts regarding the Racists Democrats taking over the Republican Party. You failed in that too with Matt.

The offer still exists but it will be either you ability to research the topic or your work ethic to do same that will prevent you from address the post originally directed toward Mo. You too like to talk without saying much other then negative comments.

Mo:
Putting labels upon people is something that goes along with the the last phrase you mentioned "they despise what they perceive in others what they themselves often feel inside." is the basis of "projection" which has been a poltical tactic in the Republican party for decades. Your using it here might be construed as to your being as despised as you feel I am. Maybe you should go to bed tonight thinking about that.

To make comments here is fine. The problem I have is that no one on the right has even attempted to disprove the statement that I made (and made an apology) for the Racists Democrats that took over the Republican Party. I expected those two to come back with some kind of cut or negative comments but expected you to address it. Apparently I was wrong. It is still on the table. It might take a little research time or with the computer a few clicks to see what I stated is true or false. The choice of not to address the statement speaks volumes and is in line with my view of the difference of the left wing and right wing modus operandi.

Not sure why you keep trying to feel "sorry" for us when your arguments are the ones that are lacking. You say "if" there was a map, which there wasn't, it would have said this. Where are any types of existing statistics to actually prove your argument? Again, you don't have any and you try to put the ownness on us to make your case for you. It's lazy.

The only reason there are more African-American Democrats now is because they have been brain-washed by the Democrats through the mass media into believing that Democrats have their best interests at heart. They are promised everything under the sun during election years and then ignored once the polling booths shut down. It's more a failure of the Republican party to combat this message than it is a change in the Republican party itself.

When you look at the ideological and religious beliefs of African-Americans many of them are conservative, not liberal.

My GOD-what an ego. This whole discussion here is NOT about you and your sanctimonious behavior. You don't even realize that NO ONE cares what you think about us. But you just plow ahead as if you're an instructor and we're the class. I've been out of school a long time, but I still can recognize a blowhard when I see one. You think WHATEVER you want, you poor thing. Tip- you use the word 'project' a little much. Says VOLUMES about you.

Good points Bob. I don't know if it even needs to be "neo-classical liberalism." I think just classical liberalism suffices.

The Republican party is certainly no longer fiscally conservative, and I don't think any of these people throwing around the insults actually want a smaller government. They certainly would not be voting for Romney if they did.

We might be doomed with either party. I was reading the profiles of the board of directors for the Commission for Presidential Debates. The people who run this country are the unelected board members. One man is the directer of Coca Cola, on a board for agriculture and water conservation, on a board for ethanol production in Nebraska, shareholder in two of the largest food distributors in the world, owns a company that sells irrigation systems, etc. Their companies support their commissions that write legislation that support their other companies. It is unreal. No wonder the CPD won't allow third parties to participate in debates _and_ is interested in developing presidential debate systems all of the world (Ghana, Peru, the Ukraine, etc...). I am beginning to think that our Presidents just pick an already long established team & throw the ignorant majority out a scandalous bone to fight over every once in a while just to keep us busy.

I mean..yes yes...Obama's a socialist plotting the demise of the country. ;)

Funny, you say "what is wrong with "you" people" like your coming from a position of middle ground, yet you instantly attack conservatives while saying Democrats aren't being aggressive enough. Typical Democrat BS. You attack with one side of your face while playing victim with the other.

This blog is about politics. People on both sides have strong opinions and we have the right to discuss them as we wish. If you don't want to read it or be involved in the discussion then don't participate.

Another Liberal rant.

You may think we're idiots but I hardly doubt you have the intellect to even be capable of drawing a distinction based on your support for Obama.

When someone supports a president who has amassed 6 trillion dollars in new debt in just four years that we will pass on to our children I can only assume they either don't care about their children's future, or they don't have children.

For the record, Obama called Bush "unpatriotic" for amassing 4 trillion in 8 years, so you have no leg to stand on by trying to blame Bush on this one.

Another Obama-ite leaving no doubt as to the level of their intelligence.

What's the level of intelligence of someone who reads, believes, and posts from weeklyworldnews.com?

I am curious. Are you protesting property taxes, income taxes, etc? It sounds like you know that taxes are the redistribution of wealth by force. Trust me, I would love to not have to donate to these wars in the middle east. It sounds like you probably also know that Romney and Obama are both big on the redistribution of wealth. I take it you are voting for Gary Johnson, the libertarian candidate. Even Johnson knows that a government needs tax revenue but proposes the Fair Tax which is not proportional to income.

There are people who protest against the income tax by not having an income on the books or just not paying but then they go to jail eventually, so I am interested to know if you are actually protesting this.

Marxism does not redistribute wealth. Marxism is actually the foundation of a lot of libertarian policies. All Marx does is point out that government control is bad (state apparatus) and that they use violence to support capitalism and capitalism does not allow the laborer to profit off of what they make. They work for wages instead of actual stuff, so that they profit way less than the small percentage of bourgeoisie.

Thank you for re-printing my Letter To The Editor ! You confirmed-AGAIN- the Leftist propaganda re : ILLEGAL immigrants. Illegals do NOT pay taxes- They're ILLEGAL. It's a Liberal lie that they do work that Americans won't. We would love to have that work, but for questionable reasons, employers would rather pay less to an illegal immigrant. But according to you, a self- proclaimed Liberal, you obviously feel that a response to my letter from one of your fellow Liberals proves me wrong ? You poor thing, you REALLY need your meds checked ? Oh- You don't permit me to say that to you ? Too bad. Show your outrage to the farmer and his family, killed on his own land at the border by immigrants. Tell the border parol agent who was gunned down,and his family, because Obama/ Holder would'nt let him use bullets. Try to explain how this young man was killed by a "Fast And Furious' gun- you know, but won't admit,the guns B.O. ordered sold to Mexican drug cartels.The only thing this 'gotcha' moment you tried to pull, showed, once again, how bizarre you really are. Poor thing.

" Illegals do NOT pay taxes- They're ILLEGAL."

HUH? According to the Associated Press, in 2006 IRS Commissioner, Mark Everson told Congress that "the ITIN program is bringing taxpayers into the system." ITIN enables immigrants to contribute to the U.S. economy by enabling them to open bank accounts, obtain mortgages and establish a record of residency and taxpaying. Social Security Administration has also taken a positive outlook on immigration in the past. "Overall, any type of immigration is a net positive to Social Security. The more people working and paying into the system, the better," Mark Hinkle, Deputy Press Officer at SSA told the AP in 2008.While the IRS does not have an estimate of how many illegal immigrants pay income tax, it has been issuing ITINs to foreigners without a Social Security number since 1996. Everson told Congress "many illegal aliens, utilizing ITINs, have been reporting tax liability to the tune of almost $50 billion from 1996 to 2003."
Hinkle told the AP that the Social Security and Medicare taxes from mismatched W2s for the same period was $41.4 billion, adding up to about $90 billion in federal taxes during the eight-year period.
Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (itepnet.org), estimates that illegal immigrants paid $11.2B in taxes in 2010.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-16/news/31199931_1_residency-and-taxpaying-illegal-immigrants-taxation-and-economic-policy#ixzz2AOE5aOld

Once again, you are wrong. The Supreme Court upheld the most important part of the Arizona law. Obviously I don't know you, but for someone to write such pompous, lengthy tomes on a BLOG ,for God's sake, in between attacking all who don't agree with you, AND going into your vault of tidbits to try to use against me and others, obviously shows what a disturbed man you really are. You have WAY too much time on your hands, buddy.

WWN is a joke site ? As opposed to.......no, I'm not touching that one. Too easy, buddy.

Good one!
Don' t tell me cc gets her news at wwn? THAT would be funneeee!

What is this World news outlet ? Never heard of it. For decades, the Right has had to tolerate the Liberal slant of all the news outlets., with exception of The Wall St. Journal. It's only when FOX,The Weekly Standard,Drudge Report,and so on came onto the scene that we were finally able to get the real news, without the censoring and Left-leaning propaganda. As disdainful as you are of Fox, I feel the same towards MSNBC. I will say that Fox has never called a woman politician filthy names,[ Mathews, Olberman-when he was there] ,they don't promote violence[ Ed Shultz ],and they definitely don't play the race card[ Sharpton, Mathews] almost on a daily basis.We will never agree with each other,so.........

ne12ukid, why don't you tell everyone why you created the name leona name? so that you can agree with yourself on what you post so others might think your smart but some of us just get a good laugh at what you post. your a big poster of factcheck and snopes, then again forgot they the bible of the dumbocrats. lets face it dumbocrats can't see truth when it their right in front of their faces. obummer is the biggest liar in the world and your delusional if you think he is going to solve anything. you would be better off voting for erin's cartoon character.

Oh no you didn't! Snap!

Dude, layup on Atticus Finch and stop giving me credit for that protest. That was not my opinion article.

Yea,ukid- It's hilarious that the Left actually believes MSNBC-

MSNBC does have a slant, just like FOX has a slant, but at least it's a legit news source, not like worldweekly which is a satire site.

bonita veraldi
12:39 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
WWN is a joke site ?

Yes, that's right, now you've got it!
What else could it be with headlines such as the following:

No, it's a joke site.

<<<bonita veraldi posts
Guess cc figures it's a hell of a lot more news worthy than Rolling Stone.>>>

cc seems to have gone underground since posting that nonsense.

unlike you ne12ukid staying at home collecting your welfare check I own a business and work hard, some weeks I'm at my job 80 hours where you can sit on the computer 24/7 copying and pasting articles together to make yourself sound so smart, but I laugh at the articles you post as they say one thing and you try to make them say another.

And it's amazing thar most Liberals dismiss FOX, even though they rarely,if ever watch it. The Right has had their fill of Left-leaning propaganda masquerading as mainstream media.

Okay,then........................

Again, Zanakis picks and chooses his 'facts'. Four Americans were SLAUGHTERED. They BEGGED for additional security for months and was REFUSED.Tyrone Woods manned a machine gun for hours, protecting the embassy,even when wounded, until he finally succumbed. And what did YOUR president do? He went to BED- the next day flew to Vegas to be on the "Pimp With A Limp Show". "...treason...it rots the soul of a nation." Cicero,42.B.C.
By not covering this in detail,as it should,mainstream media is doing what it what it has vowed to do- NOT inform the American public- no, their job is to protect Obama. And you call FOX propaganda ?
The Left has failed to make an issue of Romney's innocent remark re : binders because women know better. The Left has tried to reduce us to a reproductive organ whereas Romney has now,and in the past, more women in leadership roles, both as governor and business leader.What women left in the White House-many have left because of "hostile" working conditions,earn SIXTEEN percent less than their male counterparts. You are a Statist through and through. You fool no one but yourself.

This is getting boring.We are NEVER going to agree,because I feel the same way about you as you do me.You are the poster boy for MSNBC/CNN and other state-run media. Because of that, I dismiss outright your skewered political views. Not to be unkind, you mean nothing to me, any personal attacks mean nothing. Yes, I did see Secretary Rice-very smart woman, a globalist like Bush, and because she's a former diplomat, must be careful what she says.Once again, Obama,Clinton,Panetta have blood on their hands because they KNEW in REAL time and SAW on video what was going on and did NOTHING. You can spin this and excuse all you want- We know what happened to those men and it was'nt some video.The truth,though you've shown you're not interested in it, is Obama wants everyone to think he got rid of terrorism, when in reality he did'nt want to go after Bin Laden.That's one he had to be talked into,took three times-then he takes personal credit for it. Mr.Tough Guy is big on everyone BUT terrorists and Mexican drug cartels.If you're waiting for the truth, good luck. He'll invoke 'executive privilege' as he did with Fast and Furious- ANOTHER American dead because of his failure to do right. What a piece of work. But you'll dismiss it ,saying I'm parroting Fox. Again, your opinion is misguided, so you think what you want. All you do in your liberal rants is confirm what I already knew. As YOUR Community Organizer-In-Chief's idol,Lenin, would describe you- " You are a useful idiot".

bonita veraldi
This is getting boring.We are NEVER going to agree,because I feel the same way about you as you do me.You are the poster boy for MSNBC/CNN >>>>

Hey, I thought you said that was me?
Or is that just what you call anyone who doesn't rely on FOX for their information?
What do you call the poster who tried to sell us "news" from joke site worldweeklynews.com?
Didn't FOX cover the actual words Obama said after Bin Laden was killed?
Some say you parrot FOX because all the words you post were on FOX and mostly not elsewhere. How would you define PARROT?
And what about all those taxes the illegals DO pay?

I'll take your word for it, because obviously, you read the rag. I guess we do have something in common because that's how I feel if I happen across MSNBC and others mentioned in my earlier posts. Have a nice weekend.

bonita veraldi
11:15 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
I'll take your word for it, because obviously, you read the rag.>>>

Never saw nor heard of it till it was put on this forum by cc trying to pass it off as news.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/10/jeep-mulls-moving-manufacturing-to-china.html Jeep Mulls Moving Manufacturing to China "Jeep is considering shipping its manufacturing to China in a cost-saving measure on the heels of weak European demand.

Weakness in the European auto market lead to slow sales for Chrysler but strong demand in China buoyed the brand. In fact, business in China is good enough that Chrysler might transplant its manufacturing operations. Should brand execs pull the trigger, it would mark the first time Chrysler built Jeeps in China since before 2009 when Fiat took a stake in the company.

That contradicts what Fiat-Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne said almost a year ago amid concerns that Wrangler production might move from its current plant in Toledo, Ohio.

“This plant has been at the heart of what we’ve done. I’ve said publicly that I would never build the Wrangler outside the U.S. and outside of Toledo. These are things that are unthinkable — to assemble a Wrangler somewhere else,” Marchionne said in November, 2011.

But what was unthinkable a year ago might not seem so foreign. Manufacturing Jeep products in China could help the company save money while feeding a growing market with reduced expenses.

Mike Manley, Fiat Chrysler’s COO in Asia, seems bullish of the possibility. “The volume opportunity for us is very significant,” he, said to Bloomberg. “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity.”

No, ANOTHER Liberal site you think is God. Let me guess,you also follow The Nation, Daily Beast, Mother Jones,Current TV,Daily Kos.....you poor thing. And you want to be taken seriously? And you have the HYPOCRISY to make fun of others ?!
G.E.'s Jeffrey Immelt, B.O.s sleepover buddy,sent the business to China. Soros, B.O.'s puppet master,and a Nazi informer in his youth,owns Petragras,a Brazilian oil co.- Obama said-"We will be your biggest customer "-all the while shutting our gas production down- B.O.sends car production to Finland-ELECTRIC cars,another waste . And lest we forget, he sold AK-47's to Mexico resulting in deaths of Mexicans and one of our American border agents. So don't come here and parrot the Leftist propaganda and expect me to buy it. You are so mis-informed, it's laughable.

Romney has a problem with telling the truth,
Mitt Romney this went to Defiance, Ohio and told a group of 11,000 people “Jeep is about to move all of their production overseas. I read that somewhere. Jeep is going to move all of its production–”
Not at all true. It’s okay for a candidate to err, but not to correct it, to not say “I was wrong about that.”

The campaign was asked: “Are you sure the candidate meant that because that doesn’t seem to be true?” No response clearing that up from the campaign.
There’s a truthfulness problem with the Romney campaign that connects to the very basic issues like the economy in the states where it most matters.”
The Jeep moving to China lie has been causing a headache for Chrysler. After Romney'sGreat Jeep Lie, Chrysler put out a statement telling the world that Romney was wrong, sloppy, and biased,
“Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. It’s simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world’s largest auto market. U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation. A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments.”
This hasn’t stopped Romney from repeating the claim, and releasing a misleading television ad centered around his lie.
Reported by variety of sources, just google Romney Jeep Lie.

That interpretation of the Bloomberg story has been debunked. Jeep will still be made in America -- it's not moving or downsizing -- but the company is thinking about expanding production lines into China to sell Jeeps to the Chinese. Here's what the Detroit Free Press wrote about the story on Friday... http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121026/POLITICS01/210260402/1121/AUTO01/Romney--Chrysler-may-move-Jeep-production-to-China

Read the fifth graf of the original Bloomberg story... "Chrysler currently builds all Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. (Fiat/Chrysler COO Mike) Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-21/fiat-says-china-may-build-all-jeep-models-as-suv-demand-climbs.html

Of course it's a Romney lie but a certain two closed minded here will refuse to believe anything but their own posts. Chrysler's words are not enough for cc and bonita, they would rather ignore the facts.

Leona - Here are "Chysler's" words as spoken by their owner, Fiat, from a Bloomberg News interview on Oct 22: " Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region." So, Romney isn't lying. You are.

bd don't you just love how ne12ukid aka now leona has so many names just to agree with them self. I have to crack up as you can tell by the writing that they are one in the same person. Does this one person need a pat on the back?

Sorry, bd, that's just not the truth.
And cc, lay off with the conspiracy theories, have you not been through all this before, you have accused seven or eight different posters of being one, any time any one does not agree with you because you think you are queen of the patch, haha! What about that Alaska deal you were so hyped up on? Nothing to say about it now, right? hahaha

Really? Did none of you read the actual statement from Chrysler? Jeep is considering building plants in china for the Chinese market. Jeep sales have been doing well there and more production is needed. They can't keep exporting from the US because, A-production here is running near full capacity and B-China has high tariffs on imported cars. Chrysler will make more profit by producing china's jeeps in china. Same reason why FIAT is moving Alfa Romeo production here. Wow, those Italians are really screwing us aren't they?

PS- my info comes from Chrysler enthusiasts, not the lame stream media, leftist propaganda, or what ever else you want to call it. www.allpar.com

So we're to believe Obama lemmings who read BLOOMBERG, THE NATION,WASHINGTON EXAMINER and DAILY FINANCE?! And you crow and sneer and denigrate cc?! You especially,LeonA ,remind me of the class bully,the kind that made fun of kids that stuttered. Just can't shake that obviously. Shame.
The only truth you 'useful idiots'[ as Lenin called people like you] believe is that of your own making. Four MURDERED Americans- that's what I think of every time I look at your messiah. Well,won't be long now.

bonita, your buddy cc posted from WashingtonExaminer a story that was quickly debunked, and also from Weeklyworldnews.com, a joke blog. If you believe this is NEWS and that cc should be applauded for such, that is your choice, and I wish both your bemused selves obliviously happy days of woolgathering, as you so richly deserve. Forgive the rest of us if we decline to agree.

leona aka ne12ukid you and the dumbocrats are the ones that are so closed minds. you believe all the lies coming out of obummers mouth and the dumbocrat party. to bad you don't have a mind of your own

He's BACK ! We are subject,again,to your usual boring ,parroting of Liberal talking points,and outright lies-READ B.O.'s WHOLE 9/12 speech-does'nt change a thing. During the Carter regime, I was a very young mother with babies ,working seven days a week, so forgive me if I missed some things. I DO know Carter,because of his dangerous foreign policy, allowed thoseAmericans to be taken hostage. And no amount of groveling and apologizing by Carter helped them. One would think B.O. would have learned SOMETHING from that-obvioulsly a Leftist genetic flaw. You see, the Left really pulled one over on the American people by getting Carter in. We all thought he was a good,solid person ,a farmer,who would actually help this country. What we got,to our horror, was a radical Leftist, the likes of which we have'nt seen since Woodrow Wilson. It was only when Reagan soundly defeated him, were the hostages released .The Iranians knew we finally had someone who would not hesitate,to be blunt, open a huge can of 'whoop ***' on them.You on the Left are interested only in the 'truths' of your Liberal alternative universe. You're capable only of playing to your fellow lemmings.You, B.Z.,think you're coming off as far superior to me. THAT only shows your ignorance, sir.

bonita you did not respond to any of Bob's point about Fox, just put up another straw man.

US citizens in service to the government, unfortunately, sometimes die in their service under every administration. Republicans seem to love to use this for political gain.

Like we didn't have any lives lost under the previous GOP administration.... :-(

J.S.-NOW you're quoting Wikipedia-lol. First, I did mean the Washington Post rather than the Examiner.Chock that up to fending off you liberal howling jackals on this site.But it looks like your buddy here,LeonA, thinks the Examiner is also liberal, but this comes from one who drools over MSNBC. Bob Woodward, formerly of the Post ,has wised up in his later years and moved to FOX. Daily Finance articles run two to one against the Right in articles. Read it sometime. BLOOMBERG NEWS is EIGHTY SIX percent owned by Michael Bloomberg,ultra liberal N.Y.mayor. The TRIB is owned by social liberal, Scaife. So,what's your point?
Your passing,flimsy remark re: four dead Americans-TWO Special Forces,ONE an aide,ONE a diplomat-God, you don't even care enough to get that straight-is proof,AGAIN, of the Left's dismissive attitude towards any and all that threatens THEIR President. This country is outraged in equal parts because of the slaughters, but more so because not only were their deaths TOTALLY unavoidable, but this so-called leader has lied and stalled to the American people, all the while yukking it up on the "Pimp With A Limp" radio show, Leno, Letterman,The View,and glittery fund-raisers with Hollywood airheads. But that does'nt stop him from crowing how he killed Bin Laden. No, idiot, Special Forces killed Bin Laden. Finally, I have
nt called anyone here a "socialist/communist sympathizer", but that won't stop you from putting words in my mouth,because that's ALL you've got.

Bonita - I can see that you're another right-winger who's refuses to use logic and fact, so cannot be reasoned with.

The only proof I need of this is - "BLOOMBERG NEWS is EIGHTY SIX percent owned by Michael Bloomberg,ultra liberal N.Y.mayor. The TRIB is owned by social liberal, Scaife. So,what's your point?"
Anyone putting Scaife and liberal in the same sentence is completely out of their minds. Bloomberg - ultra-liberal?? - this can only mean you view anyone to the left of Rick Santorum an ultra-liberal. Bloomberg is liberal on some issues, moderate or conservative on others. He won the mayor's race in NYC as a Republican with Rudy Guliiani's endorcement.

You have an issue with my Wikipedia quote - please tell me what facts in that quote are incorrect. Or is Wikipedia just on your long list of sites that can't be used in an argument?

Can you please respond with substance about the comments I made about the deaths of our DIPLOMATIC EMPLOYEES rather than nitpick that I called them all diplomats instead of diplomatic employees? Simply listing the TV shows Obama has been on is not a substantive discussion of the issue. I, and most other level-headed people, will wait for the entire story to come out rather than rely on the Romney/Fox version.

As far as putting words in your mouth like communist/socialist, here's just one quote from you "the Communist News Network and the other Obama/Pravda affiliations." - (see next)

I went through the rest of your frantic posts (at least as many as I could handle, I got sick of the same talking points and vitriol after awhile), and saw anyone to the left of you referred to as "statist, treasonous", democrap (very adult), leftist zombies (good tie-in of a Halloween theme), many references to Obama and Marxists (a couple of times calling Obama supporters statist/Marxists) and many references to Saul Alinsky, which is a typical reference for right-wing fanatics to communism. So, I aplogize for using the term "socialist, communist sympathizer", which I acknowledge you did not use. Instead you went classy with leftist zombies and democrap. You really need to sit down and read your angry, slightly deranged rants. You might learn something about yourself.

bd says She has simply pointed out the lies of Obama and his adminstration from the start of his bungling of the Benghazi attacks that eventually ended up in the killing of 4 Americans.>>>

If you believe that's all she's said, you've missed a LOT of her posts. I'm sure "she" will be happy if you go back and read them all.

Thank you, BD. It feels sometimes on this post like I'm surrounded by cult followers, other times howling B.O. hyenas. I swear. The Left accuses the Right of what they,in reality are- rigid idealogues following the Alinsky 'rules' letter for letter. They are to be dismissed outright. [It's just fun watching them foam at the mouth. ]

AGAIN, with the name calling.

Name calling, is that all you can do?

Bonita - didn't find your posts offensive and sorry, couldn't get through all of them. I can hear your rhetoric, and have many times, in any corner bar in the 'burgh. I don't find you offensive, just sad and ill-informed. The only thing you wrote that I agree with is that I feel superior to you. I would be a pretty sorry person if I didn't. I have realized for a long time that it's a waste of time and breath to argue with your type. So the only thing I feel about this back and forth is regret that I took 10 minutes out of my day to write these posts.

Your statement that people on the left mock and dismiss the killing of members of our diplomatic corps is a perfect example of your extreme, crazy views. No one has done that here. Just because we don't buy your conspiracy theories about Obama playing in Vegas while the Libyans killed our people doesn't mean we're dismissing what happened. We're just smart enought to wait until the whole story comes out to see what happened and we also understand that the State Dept. controls our embassy and has the power to control things that go on there, even if the president is cavorting with hookers or yukking it up with talk show hosts or whatever the story is today. As far as sending drones in to stop this attack, that's just insanity and proves all the more that you don't know what you're talking about. Did you expect drones to kill only the terrorists who were in our embassy, but leave the Americans alive. Wow!

You use my name, so exactly what "attack" from me do you claim?
Are you calling it an "attack" on you when I call you out for all your name calling?
If not that, then WHAT exactly?
False accusation as I see it.

Oh my God, you poor, delusional man. My loved ones know I'm the kind of person who does'nt hide from anything or anyone- the rest, like you, have seen I'm not afraid to put my name to something I believe in. My husband and I are laughing right now, but we applaud you for your fine investigative reporting-maybe in between dealing with your gambling, you can get a job with the White House Press Corps, better known as Pravda. Too bad it will be a very temporary position . Stay dry, comrade.

Good one, Bob!

Why don't you just throw in a racial slur and say what you really mean?

OMG, she really must be the "deer crossing" lady!
paraphrasing according to the FOX news method perhaps?

That's the best you got ? You're slipping. Examples, please,'cause I have PLENTY..

Good video, Bob. I'd heard all this before but not from such a large group of Republicans.
Romnesia indeed!

Bob, here is one for you in return.
Stay safe through the storm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMW39wFHpRo&feature=related

Has'nt G.A. taught you anything ? The Meadows still has you on their watch list.

Wow, are we suppose to be impressed that your voting on the President based on horse racing odds at the Meadows. Now I heard every thing.

bonita there is a few on here that will play the race card when you say that you won't vote for obama. No one in this day and age gives a hoot what color he is as he could be purple or pink but since they have run out of lies to feed you on how great obummer is doing, that is when it comes out.

When you call someone a Fern Bar, I for one do feel superior.

What is a Fern Bar? Do I want to ask?

Where was all of this sanctimonious outrage against the thousands upon thousands of people who have died in the Iraq or Afghanistan Wars? I think someone is picking their own poison for the sake of their politics.

You are giving Obama entirely too much credit for all of these carefully selected atrocities. No wonder you are so afraid of him; you see Obama as some sort of mythical, commie demi-God. Does Obama have blood on his hands? Sure. So does Romney, McCain, Ryan...every politician ever except maybe Ron Paul and Gary Johnson.

But I am sure that if Romney wins you are going to jump up and down in outrage when he funds the military with trillions of printed dollars, driving up inflation more, and begins further military expeditions resulting in the loss of American, Middle Eastern, and North African lives.

Maybe I am wrong. Maybe you are protesting _all_ of the Middle Eastern/North African violence regardless of who happens to be sitting in the Oval Office. Doubt it.

Bring it on. You are a threatening bully and will be treated as such. You have gone to great lengths to provide info about me, public or not. What started out as a political discussuion has sunk into thinly veiled threats and libelous derogatory remarks against me by you. Our friend is not amused and neither will a judge.

You guys are getting a bit ridiculous. Bonita, if your cop friend is any sort of respectable police officer, he is not going to appreciate you suggesting that you get special treatment as a friend of a cop. He is also not going to appreciate you using his occupation, a duty to protect lives and property, to threaten a poster on a comment thread over some silly rants in the name of Fox News. He also knows, as all police officers do, that their job ends when the legality of an issue begins. Your threats would be much more potent had you said "my lawyer friend is standing right here." What you guys are fighting over is an issue resolved in courts (libel and slander) and has nothing to do with police though the courts would laugh your case out of the county. Or are you just suggesting that your cop friend will go outside of the law to exact his own justice on your behalf? I doubt it.

Ease up. Police officers are not a tool for comment thread threats, or any threats for that matter. It is words like that which create animosity towards our police officers.

Well said, Miss Erin.
bv bullies and then accuses others of it.

I like this Miss Erin thing. I hope that I can keep it going on other threads. :)

LeonA and aka all your alias you are nothing but a bully along with a few others on here. Then when you get slammed back you run to Bob and cry that they are picking on you.

Leona aka new12ukid i think i seen you standing on the street corner today with your sign trying to get money off of tax payers. isn't welfare giving you enough money to live on

mrs cc, you are having halucinations again it seems. Why would you say that I collect welfare, I have never done so. You imagine things that are not so.
Let's all pray for her, patch contributors, this could be serious.

no lets pray for you leonA aka all your other names that you make so you can agree with your self since no one else will. Your the one that needs major mental health help.

Right, Bob, that was just a funny for you in return for the good laughs over the deer crossing lady.
What Fox does is not funny, its dangerous.