Skatepark Proposal Doesn't Land Right for Some
Part II of a three-part series examining both the pros and cons of Pitcher Park, the proposed Dormont skateboard facility.
On July 15, 2008, former Dormont resident Mary Pitcher lost two of her four sons in a drowning incident at a reservoir in the Allegheny National Forest. The young men, Stephen Pitcher, 19, and Vincent Pitcher, 21, who grew up in Dormont, were avid skateboarders. As a memorial to the two lives lost, their mother, now a resident of Scott Township, approached Dormont Council about establishing a skateboard park and raising the money for its construction. Since then, the proposed facility has been fraught with controversy. This three-part series will look at existing skateboard facilities in other municipalities, as well as examine the views of those opposed to the creation of one in Dormont—and those who feel it would be an asset to the borough.
"It's not that we're against skateboarders," Jeremy Smith emphasized as a group of Dormont residents opposed to Pitcher Park gathered to discuss their concerns with Patch.
In fact, if the skatepark were constructed on private property, some said they wouldn't oppose the idea at all. But its proposed location—and actions that must be taken for it to be built—are what has brought this group together a few weeks ago to raise the issues.
Though the 11 or so residents gathered each had their individual concerns, they concurred that they don't feel the expectations outlined in a document, "Multi-Use Park Questions and Answers," authored by council members Heather Schmidt and Laurie Malka in May, 2010, are being met as plans for the skatepark proceed.
Though not a legally binding document, the 13 points outlined in the three-page paper set the parameters of what the borough expects from the nonprofit Pitcher Park Memorial Skatepark as it proceeds with plans for the skatepark facility, which would also accommodate BMX bikers and rollerbladers. The residents say that borough council has not given much response to their concerns.
"I want what was promised," said Daniele Ventresca, one of the residents. "They just put what people wanted to hear into the document."
Though the Pitcher Park group initially proposed funding a skatepark only, the document indicates to make that happen means the group has to finance construction of the skatepark at the site of the Banksville Road tennis courts in Dormont Park, refurbish the old courts along Memorial Drive, reconstruct the existing basketball court and add a dog park. The foundation would also provide a maintenance fund to help provide upkeep for the facility.
"There is another side to this story," said Amy Keaney, who lives near the park. "We're complaining they've started work and finished work that's not satisfactory, to our beliefs."
One of the issues voiced by the residents opposed to the skatepark is the fact that it would take the place of much-used tennis courts along Banksville Road—and they claim the 75-year-old ones refurbished by the Pitcher Park group this summer along Memorial Drive aren't of the same quality.
"To their credit, it looks much nicer," Smith said, noting, though, that three regulation courts will be eliminated and replaced with two non-regulation courts.
Resident Ken Krugh researched safety zone standards of the U.S. Tennis Association and found the 120-by-60-foot Banksville Road courts meet those requirements. Not only don't the Memorial Drive courts meet the safety zone standards for regulation courts, they don't meet the standards for recreational court safety zones either, he noted.
Minimum court size is 114-by-56 feet and recreational size courts should be at least 110-by-54 feet. According to measurements done by Krugh, the width for one of the Memorial Drive courts falls short of recreational-court standards by 4 feet, and the space between the court and the fence is not even on both sides.
"The initial layout for the courts playing area on Memorial Drive is not centered between the fencing," Krugh said. "This makes one side more dangerous because of the smaller safety zone."
"Someone could get injured," said Dee Krugh, his wife. She also raised concern about the lack of sidewalks along Memorial Drive for those walking down to the proposed skateboard area.
Ventresca questioned the quality of the materials used to refurbish the Memorial Drive courts this summer compared to the existing Banksville Road courts. The older courts were originally clay and, more recently, used by rollerbladers and those practicing hockey.
"My issue is why are we moving the tennis courts," she said.
Although there was initial opposition to a plan to locate the skatepark in the tennis court area on Memorial Drive, there is also opposition to taking out the larger, newer courts on Banksville Road.
Keaney mentioned a conversation with Chris Blackwell, Penn Hills principal planner, where he said he would not have ever put that municipality's skatepark on a well-used recreational facility. (Though Penn Hills did build the skatepark on former tennis courts, they had been unused and in disrepair for a number of years. Blackwell is scheduled to attend the Nov. 14 Dormont Council meeting.)
The residents also raised the issue that if the Banksville courts are eliminated, Keystone Oaks Band will lose the prime spot for its Christmas tree sale that raises money for the band trips. The problem was addressed in the May 24, 2010 document, which states the band can instead use the basketball courts or any level surfaces in the park, as well as using the Memorial Drive tennis courts to hold trees should the skatepark be built.
The dog park is proposed for a tier above the Memorial Drive courts, on an area where a gas line makes construction impossible.
Smith pointed to the discussions that proceeded the skatepark getting a green light from council. Though talk of the park began in Oct. 2008, it wasn't until the next summer that a proposal was submitted to council.
"It became clear to them (Pitcher Park group) and council that it needed to be formalized," Smith recalled.
Opposition to the skatepark began just a few months after the proposal for the park surfaced in 2009. A website, www.savedormontpark.com, though now out of date, was established to challenge the park based on its location, visual impact, sound/noise issues, environmental impact, size, maintenance and other issues.
After public meetings and several council committee meetings to discuss the pros and cons, council voted down the skateboard park proposal in November 2009. But in April 2010, with new council members on board, the plan was approved by a 4-3 vote.
That vote was taken at a council meeting the Monday after Easter, according to Smith, and was not well publicized. And, Ventresca said, the action item missed the deadline to be placed on the printed agenda for the meeting, leaving people in the dark until it was brought up from the floor by council.
Smith and Keaney both have concerns with the process. Smith wonders whether the borough or the nonprofit skatepark group will have the final say about the contractor and if it will be put out for bid since the equipment will be donated.
Smith also has concerns about liability coverage, police coverage, lighting for the park and whether the Pitcher Park group will be able to raise the money needed for the project. He said council and the group have not given any reassurances about those issues nor answered questions pertaining to them.
"The Pitcher Park people should be aware of what the process is, too," he said.
The money should be raised before any work begins, Smith noted. He also said that if "bad things happen" at the park and it would need removed, it would have to be done at the borough's expense.
Ken Krugh said when the liability issue has been raised with council, residents have been told it is covered under the borough's "umbrella" plan. But he questions if that would cover the cost if someone is hurt.
Ventresca and Keaney suggested that traffic and feasibility studies should be done prior to allowing the facility to be built.
Aesthetics are another problem with a skatepark at the entrance to Dormont Park. Cindy Lucas raised the issue of graffiti creating a less-than-desirable appearance and Dee Krugh noted that outhouses might need to be at that location.
"We have a beautiful entrance now," Keaney said.
Councilman John Maggio, who was contacted after the meeting with residents, said he's concerned that the Pitcher Park supporters have "never given a solid answer to" some of the concerns raised by residents. He also doesn't agree with the way the park was approved by council.
Maggio and some of the residents, while understanding Pitcher's desire to memorialize her sons, feel that the sympathy people have for her situation is overriding some of the issues the skatepark might create.
"They made their deal to get the vote through," Maggio said. "Some of the women (on council) voted with their hearts, not their heads."
Part III of this series will appear on Patch on Friday, Nov. 11. It will look at what is being proposed, the lack of recreation for teens in Dormont and how those who support the park feel about it.
To view Part I, click here. To view Part III, click here.
Nicole McDermott
7:01 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011
I just want to say I appreciate the in depth coverage you are providing on this issue...I am a dormont resident and have been aware there were issues surrounding the skate park, but had no real idea what they were. Thank you! Secondly, shame on John Maggio for claiming that some of the women (and only the women) on council voted with their hearts, not their heads. It is 2011! It is time to realize that sexist remarks from a public figure are not acceptable! Thank you again.
Joseph
10:40 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011
Those that voted 'yes' for the park were women and some voted with their hearts. What's sexist about that?
MSgt. John DeLallo
11:37 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011
I'm confused. I thought the skateboard park was going to be up on the hill on Memorial Drive, replacing the seldom used tennis courts there. There are a lot of issues, but access is one of primary concern. I'm guessing most skateboarders will be under the driving age, so why not put the skateboard facility where it will have the least impact on traffic. Dormont Horseshoe Club must have a say in this, I suppose, as well. My heart goes out to Mrs. Pitcher and her loss, and perhaps a fitting remembrance or memorial stone would serve to give everlasting memory to her loved ones; even moreso than a skateboard facility. I suggest she look at the restored WWI memorial at the VFW on West Liberty Avenue. It has little impact on traffic, its high visibility, and with proper maintenance, it will last several lifetimes.
mary pitcher
1:07 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011
Hello Mr. DeLallo
Just wanted to verify that the iniial design was on the hill on Memorial Drive. It seemed to be the perfect unused spot to put in such a facility. It met with concerns from some of the residents there. At a meeting, I suggested that we meet wih the residents of Memrial Dr but then President Maggio said, "That would only make matters worse!" So, after listening to what their concerns were at the meeting, in the second design we moved the site down parallel to the other site but away from the houses (more toward the Castle Park but still up on the hillside.) Even though at Council meeting we were told by a resident of Memorial Dr. that "if you move it down away from the houses, your opposition will go away" we still got opposition due to "taking away greenspace" from the very same people. The third site took away all of their concerns lights, noise, greenspace, etc etc. , so we had yet another design made for Banksville Rd. s per councils direction. These same people's very concerns are/were the reason it was moved three times and Council approved the final site.
mary pitcher
1:08 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011
As far as the Dormont Horseshoe Club...they will not be inpacted at all. The land and use of their land will remain the same. In fact the full size collegiate baskeball court will mainly be bordering the horseshoe area (but we are waiting for the final design)
I know some of these people were "assigned" to speak to the horse shoe club to try to "alert" them to the skatepark but it will not effect them at all.
Also, we will be building a Memorial Wall there for anyone to honor a loved one lost from Dormont.
Thanks and I can certainly understand your confussion on the matter!
MSgt. John DeLallo
1:44 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011
Thank you, Mrs. Pitcher, for a very well thought out answer. Some of the rancor on these pages, including my own blogs from time to time, is unecessary, and I appreciate your courtesy. Location, location, location! So far as another Memorial Wall, I'm all for it. You should know, though, that WWI vets are listed on the West Liberty Avenue memorial, and the Fireman's memorial is in Mt. Lebanon cemetery. There is also a ceremonial gravesite at Mt. Lebanon cemetery for veterans of all wars. Don't be held hostage to building yet another memorial as a condition of approval for the skatepark. If I recall correctly, this entire program is privately funded. Since you're paying for it, I believe, you should have a good deal of input into where the money goes, and for what purpose(s). I was raised in Bethel Park, and this Memorial Day, all of the DeLallo boys who served were honored by being placed (belatedly) on one of the large monoliths in front of the BP Municipal Building. Seven new names now appear, but it came at a cost for the stonecutter. Similarly, participation on your wall should include cost defrayal by family members. Again, thank you for your measured and calm response, and best of luck as you proceed to make a lasting memorial to your loved ones.
Ryan Hoffman
1:55 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011
Listen to what a 15-year-old Anthony from Bookeline told Hear Me about the skatepark!
http://www.hear-me.net/stories/391
www.facebook.com/hearmeproject
MSgt. John DeLallo
2:40 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011
Kid has a valid point. Bicyling in Pittsburgh can be a real adventure, and can turn deadly in moments. Its not just kids who are getting hurt, either. I recommend, for bikes, try the rails to trails. No cars to compete with. His point about having somewhere to go to have a little fun is well taken. I have to mention, though, that a bike ride from Brookline Boulevard to the proposed skate park is like walking through a mine field. Where the kids live who will eventually use the park is immaterial, but their safety should be paramount, no? 50+ years ago we would ride our bikes on Rt. 19 all the way out to Sears Service Center, sometimes farther. Back then, it was all country, no South Hills Village, and little traffic. I'm sure you'll agree that a bicycle ride on Rt. 19 today would be foolish.
mary pitcher
2:09 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011
We have some people in place to hopefully help donate that wall :) Mr. Henny (whom Im sure you know) we are hoping when it comes time, may help us with their connection to Mathews as well.
BTW :*on a side note- My son Jonathan served in Iraq for 18mos & I would love to share his pictures with you some time. Hard for me to look at! but it;s life you know? He has pictures of Sadam in his hole!!! and many other pictures of soldiers with injured children and families, cars on fire... pictures of Sadams palaces...with SOLID GOLD PLUMMING FIXTURES & GOLD CHANDELIERS! Saddest one was pictures of the boots...im sure you know why...for two twins who died in his unit crossing a bridge when (and it's not an IUD ...lol...bad with military abrieviations) a bomb went off and their up armored Hummer (uparmored with pieces of car metal, or anything they could find at the time) went down into a gulley. It was all surreal to me, as I watched CNN every waking minute I could...and the communications from there were almost TOO GOOD!
He could call, got text messages, etc. and I wanted to know everything...but REALLY DIDN'T~ i am sure you can understand why. These wars changed a lot of people.... many families lost loved ones but even more men came back maimed & injured. I only hope and pray our government is doing what they should to help those effected.emtionally and physically.... because anyone that fights for our freedom deserves it!!!
Sorry to ramble....
MSgt. John DeLallo
2:33 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011
Mrs. Pitcher:
NEVER apologize for rambling about the brave men and women who allow you and I the complete freedom to discuss whatever we like in an open forum, for all to see, without fear of the secret police abducting us in the middle of the night. I'm the Chaplain at McCormick-Dorman VFW Post 694, and believe me, you are preaching to the choir. My last job was with a defense contractor, and we got plenty of requests for help from deployed troops. I had the good fortune to support the Bradley with the classified up armor, and the MRAP, with the silly looking cage around it. It defeated RPG's, and one of Murphy's Laws of Combat clearly states "If it looks stupid, but it works, its not stupid."
I'm working with Carol Haberchak, our local Ambassador from the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund, to get a photo for every person on the Vietnam Memorial Wall. That said, you ramble all you want when it comes to our troops.
mary pitcher
4:03 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011
Hi Debby,
Well, we still video tape....and will continue to do so! :) The only thing about the above statement is that it is approved...not proposed. BTW.... how could you resist that little Barney (beagle) on the Patch? He was soooo adorable!
dormonter
6:44 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011
The memorial wall would make a good fundraiser too.. a variation on the memorial bricks used to raise funds for other things.
Zandy Dudiak
7:03 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011
Debby, You make a very good point. It is sad to see the number of dogs who are taken to shelters because the cost of caring for them has become too much for people who lose their jobs, take pay cuts, etc. That's one reason we run the Patch Pets on Saturdays—hoping to find some homes for those abandoned pets.
Eric Poole
8:29 am on Monday, November 14, 2011
There ought to be a law dictating that, if there is no public skate park within 10 miles of your municipality/school district, skaters have the right to use public property (schoolhouse steps, the publicly-owned war memorial, municipal building parking lot). And the municipality would be responsible for any negligence-related injuries.
That'd get a lot more skate parks built.
Lou Pietosi
2:02 pm on Monday, November 14, 2011
Eric, that's just silly. No one has a "right" to a skate park" and to allow "any public property" to be used would be irresponsible on the part of those allowing it. Using that theory will not get more parks built. Obviously the number of people using or wanting skate parks is a small fraction of the population. If there is no park in your area, you'll just have to find a place where it is permiited. This is a good illustration of the way the world is today. everyone thinks they are entitled to whatever it is they want. That's just NOT the way it works, my friend. Sometimes we don't (and shouldn't) get everyrthing we want in life. If you want a place to skate, earn enough money to buy a home with enough land to have your own area to skate. THAT is called the American way. WANT IT? THEN EARN IT!
Joey Solak
2:22 pm on Monday, November 14, 2011
Not trying to gang up on you Eric, but I'm with Mr. Pietosi. Having a skatepark close is a convenience, not a right. I'm all about having a skatepark in Dormont under the right circumstances for the community. You have to think though that skateboarding is also a liability for private or public properties. If you happen to mess up on a trick going down a flight of nine stairs and smash your face open on the concrete the property is liable for it. It's just like if a property doesn't clear snow and ice off their sidewalks and someone slips and falls. Skate parks are great because they have insurance to cover those types of liabilities.