Residents Question Role of New Dormont Police Chief
Concerns were raised over why he can't patrol borough roads.
Questions about who oversees Dormont’s police department and the role of its new administrative police chief were brought up again during Monday night’s borough council meeting.
More than 100 residents attended Monday night’s workshop meeting and many demanded to know why new administrative police Chief Richard Dwyer is not patrolling the roads. The crowd was so large the meeting was moved into the borough gymnasium next to the municipal building.
Councilwoman Joan Hodson wanted to know why borough Manager Gino Rizza was given the authority to overturn a seven-day suspension of Dwyer initiated by Mayor Tom Lloyd on Aug. 22. Four members of council apparently signed a letter on Aug. 1 authorizing Rizza with that authority while never officially voting on the matter.
“What the heck happened here?” Hodson asked the other council members. “I don’t know what to ask anymore. This is ridiculous.”
Lloyd suspended Dwyer on Aug. 22 because he said the police chief left the borough without police patrols for a period of time. Rizza reinstated him the following day because he said as administrative acting chief, Dwyer does not fall under the same rules.
But Hodson and other residents asked why Dwyer has a badge, business cards and official letterhead that states he is the chief. They also questioned why he is not permitted to patrol borough roads.
“There is a lot of contradictions up here and you better get your act together,” Hodson said.
As the workshop meeting began winding down, other residents demanded answers about the administrative chief’s role. When the meeting moved, many in the audience began shouting and continued to demand an answer.
Council President Kim Lusardi then abruptly called the workshop meeting to a close as residents protested her decision.
Also during the meeting…
- Initial plans to hire Gregor Saulsbery as the new assistant borough manager were thwarted when some residents questioned why the council is not requesting applications for the position. Assistant Manager Ian McMeans is leaving and the borough needs to find a replacement, although some residents think the position should be left vacant. The council decided it will vote next week on whether to advertise the position.
- Council plans to vote next week on a motion to formally appeal the Civil Service Commission’s reinstatement of former police Chief Phil Ross. Solicitor Deron Gabriel said council does not need to vote on the measure, but the governing body decided it would be best to let the public know how it stands on the issue.
- Council is expected to vote next week on whether to renew the contract with Judy’s Concessions to provide food and drinks at Dormont Pool.
Ed M
4:21 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
Maybe if more people had a Rizza agenda we would get to the bottom of all the garbage~
Lou Pietosi
6:02 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
Actually Ms Hodson was THE most intelligent member asking THE most relevant questions last night. in my opinion. And I don't know the details and total history of all this and as a former Dormont resident, don't want to, but just speaking as an observer, the questions she asked were completely legitimate. My biggest problem with the ENTIRE meeting was the LACK of answers to specific questions from the public and Ms Hodson. The NEXT answer council gives the taxpayers will be the FIRST!!! that was frustrating and rediculous
Educating the Watching
7:30 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
Lou, you are correct it will be the FIRST, THE FIRST OF NOVEMBER (ELECTION DAY) when the residents of Dormont take back this boro and elect new council.Thank you for coming back to support the boro. I hope your venue on.. 9/24/11 the Hollywood Theatre is a huge success.
dormonter
6:39 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
Well written articles Mike! As for the fab 4 on council and Rizza, well, there was a whole lotta shakin' goin' on. Legs, pens... The jig is up kids. Giving a civilian a badge and Police ID? Illegal mailings? A letter giving the Boro Mgr your vote to do whatever he pleases? What do we need you for? You thought it was just a game, now it's looking mighty serious. A whole lot more serious than just losing an election or a job.
Frank Fabus
3:30 pm on Wednesday, August 31, 2011
Agreed dormonter. This article was well written and very infomative.
Leah Petrilli
6:51 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
Thank you Mike for the well written and objective articles. And thank you Mr. Pietosi for taking the time to attend and also give your opinion of what you observed. Its a shame Ms. Lusardi felt the need to cut and run even though there were clearly citizens who wished to speak. Perhaps those folks can get their name on the list to speak at next Tuesday's meeting. Call the Boro offices and inquire. 412-561-8900
Did anyone get a straight answer as to where Mr. Dwyer was? I think at $5500.00 a month he should make it his business to attend public meetings and make himself available to answer questions. If he was there he could have answered who issued his badge and ID card. Maybe. ;)
Lorenzo
8:44 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
Yes Leah it was an administrative meeting and Dwyer is an administrator. HMMMMM makes ya wonder. I think Gino's body language last night pretty much answered some of my questions. Kim could not take the heat I thought she was going to spontaniously combust. What a joke they are. And the solicitor talked in circles.
xxxxx
9:59 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
Lorenzo, not only did the solicitor talk in circles I don't think he talked in truths. In order to spend any money on the civil service commission suit a vote MUST be taken for Council to approve spending any money.
Lou Pietosi
7:34 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
Thanks and I hope you and ALL the great people of Dormont will come out to join the fun! Please forget politics for just this ONE night and help me support the theater.so that it will be there LONG after any individual. Politician! I will personally deliver your tickets!
dormonter
9:00 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
I hope all of those who want good gov't back in Dormont will volunteer to be poll watchers on election day! Gotta watch these folks who obviously will go to any lengths to get what they want.
Sandy Kaminski
9:25 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
Good point, I'm available.
dormonter
10:32 pm on Wednesday, August 31, 2011
Sandy, hope you ask around and see how to do it. Poll watchers are usually picked by the political party, 1 Dem, 1 GOP. You watch the ballot count at the end of the night from the machines and the very important absentee ballots. Also, the county hires the poll workers who are there alllllll day. We need honest people in the polling places. (My polling place has great workers, however I wouldn't put anything past the gangsters.)
Ed M
7:15 am on Wednesday, August 31, 2011
I haven't missed an election yet and this one will be no different! It's time to get those responsible for all this garbage out of council!
Joyce
12:32 pm on Wednesday, August 31, 2011
I don't live in Dormont, but I feel in a way I grew up there. My aunt lived there all of my life until just recently. We always walked "up street" and Dormont was such a lovely little town. I remember all the really cool shops and all the fun we had. I miss that old Dormont, which is why I keep up reading the patch. It saddens me to see Dormont and the rest of the country going the way it is. I wish I had some answers, b ut sadly I don't. Seems to me though really why do you need an assistant borough manager? Leave the position empty, and save yourselves some money and perhaps a little aggravation.
DoBo
3:17 pm on Wednesday, August 31, 2011
The first side to quit bitching and start worrying about thier own jobs instead of what others are doing and/or not doing is the side that is in the right. So far that hasn't happened and the embarrassing all out war that has ensued in this borough is making everyone involved look like a bunch of spoiled teenagers.....every person involved should be ashamed of themselves, we need adults to lead us.....police, fire, mayor, manager, council.....all of them are letting the residents down by taking part in this mess, none of them are without blame. There is only one side in a Democracy and that is the side of the people.
Leah Petrilli
11:01 pm on Wednesday, August 31, 2011
A little food for thought:
http://www.timesherald.com/articles/2011/07/11/news/doc4e19f5e0d8068365719583.txt?viewmode=default
Senate Bill 101 increases the fines that may be imposed on elected officials who participate in a meeting with the intent of violating the open meeting requirements. The fine, which was a flat rate of $100 previously, was raised to as much as $1,000 for a first offense and $500 to $2,000 for a second offense. The mandate is set to take effect in 60 days. “These fines are ultimately nowhere I’d like to see them,” said State Rep. Mike Vereb (R-150th of Montgomery County), who, last year, called for jail time for the most flagrant Sunshine Act violators.“It’s extremely important because the open meetings law, in particular, we put in place to give people access, to not only hear what governments were planning to do, but to contribute their thoughts and opinions on that. A good enforcement structure is required because otherwise, more often than not, public officials will resort to doing this, violating the open meetings law and being able to get away with it. You have to have something in place to really encourage groups to abide by the law.”
former dormonter
1:36 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
Fire all of the crooked cops who have been there way too long,get rid of lame duck geriatric mayor lloyd,the joke of a council and mr bighead mgr,then maybe Dormont can be restored to only a semi joke like it used to be.
Leah Petrilli
6:48 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
Mr. or Ms. Former Dormonter, I respect your right to express your opinions however I have to question your timing, tone and wording, and as stated by Mr. Pietosi I think the name calling is out of line. Also, the statement "crooked cops" is libelous and you owe the Police Department an apology. Actually that goes for all the people you name in your post. If you have something truely constructive to add, any pearls of wisdom for us, the taxpayers, residents, voters, and business people vested in Dormont then please enlighten us. Otherwise perhaps your energies would be best spent in your own community, wherever that may be.
Lou Pietosi
1:44 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
I have a MUCH BETTER IDEA as a fellow "Former Dormonter". STOP all this name calling, insulting and instigating and send a message to ALL PARTIES involved AND the residents of Dormont to get back to bring CIVILIZED and MAYBE things can get back to normal so these issues can be resolved. Reading some of these posts just illustrates a much bigger problem on America these days: People are too HATEFUL! Let's all GROW UP, come TOGETHER and work out our problems. THIS is getting beyond rediculous! How would YOU like it if someone insulted YOUR elderly relatives the shameful way YOU insult the Mayor? I have no "horse in this race, just as you don't buy I DO think Common DECENT has lost its way off of these "pages"!:
Lou Pietosi
1:46 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
That's Common Decency. I'm so aggrivated reading this I can't even type a message anymore!
former dormonter
1:51 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
Have to agree with you Lou,its just aggravating what a joke Dormont has become.It starts at the top,just like anyother business.
former dormonter
2:00 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
Dormont has by far taken over the role of Brentwood as the boro in Alleg County with the most corrupt council/mgmt/police force/mayor
Lou Pietosi
2:02 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
That's great former dormonter BUT you obviously missed or are ignoring the fact that I'm saying people like YOU are a big part of the problem! Why can't you simply make your point WITHOUT all the name calling and insults??? These people ALL have families and lives to live and YOUR insults are unnecessary to make your point!
former dormonter
2:09 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
That's fine Lou,EVERYONE involved has made Dormont a laughing stock(Mayor,council,police,mgr)they ALL need to go,period!
Lou Pietosi
2:13 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
WHY? Because the Mayor LEGALLY forgives some tickets, a time honored tradition across the nation dating back hundreds of years? Give me a break! Let's not forget, when a US President leaves office he LEGALLY allows murderers to go free and commutes sentences for drug dealers, swindlers, rapists, etc. Now THAT is corrupt. Forgiving a lousy pariking ticket is NOTHING! I bet if you had a ticket and someone offerred to tear it up you'd put your checkbook away in a heartbeat. This kind of issue is SO minuscule compared to the REAL issues facing small towns, states and the nation as a whole, that I can't BELIEVE people are so up in arms over it! It just proves to me the level of hate we are living in. As for the HOA issue, the Mayor's explanation seems reasonable to me. Suspending the police chief over THAT seems vindictive! And this new thing giving ANYONE the power to over rule the Mayor, let alone the boro mgr is JUST LIKE Obama's "executive order" govt where if he can't get his plans thru normal legislative vote, he simply overrules it with his unconstitutional "executive order". Its all sickening. If you don't like how a Mayor is governing there is a simple remedy: get a candidate who can BEAT him in a FAIR election!
Lou Pietosi
2:18 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
Oops! I meant the GPS issue. My BlackBerry has a mind of its own!
former dormonter
2:18 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
Again Lou,well said but I think the Remedy in Dormont is new blood,its become a rediculously crooked boro and things need to change!
Lou Pietosi
2:21 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
Now THAT, Former Dormonter is your opinion and fine. I'm not in tune with the details of all this. And please understand, this isn't personal between us. ALL I'm trying to say is that I can respect ANYONE'S opinion I'd it isn't filled with name calling and insults. I enjoyed chatting with you. Let's ALL just yet to stay on point and stop the gate. Goodnight!
former dormonter
2:25 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
Uve been around Dormont longer than me Lou(about 15yrs to be exact)U know how things have always been,things just aren't swept under the carpet as easily anymore.Goodnite
Lou Pietosi
2:28 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
I dint know if its as "crooked" as it is poorly run by some who may not have the experience or tact to know how to handle things. I DO agree there needs to be changes BUT let me ask you this I think you'll agree Dormont was a great town up until not too lung ago and the Mayor has been in office 18 years AND on council another 18 years or so before that. Did he suddenly become "corrupt, incompetent, or change in any way? NO! So someone ELSE MUST be to blame for the downward spiral. I have my opinion but will witholg it. Although my son DOES own a home and pay taxes in the boro, I do NOT, thus I'll let the good people of my hometown decide who is responsible and trust THEY, not you or I, will take the steps to CORRECT the situation and restore Dormont's good name!:
former dormonter
2:31 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
I hope they do Lou,until then I'm staying in Washington County!
Lou Pietosi
2:31 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
Ah YES, the Good Old Days! I wish they'd "sweep" it ALL under the rug and go back to bring a normal community!
Lou Pietosi
2:35 am on Thursday, September 1, 2011
LOL SEE we DO have things in common! While I love Dormont, I've loved being in Washington County and the next move I make will be to Jupter Florida, not back to Allegeny County! GOOD NIGHT FOR REAL Former Dormonter! Ha ha!
Bob Coyne
12:29 pm on Friday, September 2, 2011
I grew up in Dormont and now live in Tampa, Fl. After reading the articles in the Post Gazette the past couple of weeks the Boro has to be the laughing stock of Pittsburgh. You people need to go out Nov.1 and vote, get rid of all the egomaniacs and put people in office who care about Dormont and where its headed if you don't remove the incompedents in charge at the present time. Good luck and I hope the wonderful people of Dormont can be civilized and get their Boro back so they can say I live in Dormont and I'm proud of our Boro.
Drew Lehman
12:56 pm on Friday, September 2, 2011
I live in Dormont and I am proud of our borough. Bob please remenber that The PG needs to sell papers to stay afloat. So please think about that as you are seeing our town in the paper. You would be proud of our town if you look past the drama and bad news that is being spoon fed to the reporters by folks that would rather gossip then lend a hand. Yes we have been in the paper way too much in the past 6 months but we have also welcomed many new residents who are eager to move to Dormont.
Ryan Kelley
3:49 pm on Friday, September 2, 2011
Mr. Lehman,
I was at one point eager to purchase a home and settle in Dormont, however, after the shenanagins that the council has been doing for the past 6+ months, a council which you are on, I have become much more tenative on purchasing a home in a place where the council can't even agree on what color the sky is! I was not welcomed into the community EITHER time I've moved to Dormont (first time in 2007 and then 2010); I had to go to council and ask about the boro newsletter along with not getting other updates from council, and then yourself asking me if I'm a registered voter (of which, I am, and voted last November in the boro)...
And a lot of the drama and bad news can stop with the council acting like grown adults that were elected by the boro and work together as a team... And that's something that every member on council needs to do.
Drew Lehman
4:52 pm on Friday, September 2, 2011
Ryan, Maybe you missed my point on Monday night. I asked you if you were a registered voter to try to understand why you may not have received a flyer. Maybe we can talk after the meeting on Monday, I was a young voter in Dormont over twenty years ago not feeling the love as well. Maybe you can help this or a future council in some way.
Leah Petrilli
7:44 pm on Friday, September 2, 2011
Mr. Lehman, is it or is it not FACT that this current council, of which you are a member has, through its actions driven the budget for legal fees over the $30,000.00 limit as of July 2011 by $6,000.00? This was reported right here in the Patch by Candy Woodall.
http://dormont-brookline.patch.com/articles/dormont-over-budget-for-special-legal-fees
Where are we now, at the beginning of September on that figure? Is it or is it not FACT that this council, of which you are a member has driven the legal process forward in filing an appeal to the unanimous Civil Service Commission ruling delivered on July 26, 2011, in favor of Phil Ross to reinstate him to the position of Chief of Police? The original vote to demote Phil Ross was 6-1. How did you vote then? How and when was the vote held to move forward with this court appeal on the tax payer’s dime? And how did you vote? Why is the UNANIMOUS ruling of the appointed Civil Service Commission not good enough for this council, of which you are a member? Could you give the public some insight on this?
Drew Lehman
10:57 am on Saturday, September 3, 2011
Leah, The alternative to these legal fees would be to ignore an area of our governmental body that has decided to disregard repeated requests from council and refuses to be held accountable. Is this what you want? I don't and many others that I talk to don't as well. You talk about these legal fees as if we are just throwing money away. Well the outcome will benefit all residents in Dormont not just the one filing these against the borough. The Civil Service Commission made their ruling and we have an option to appeal or not appeal. It's an option that we have under the law. I voted both times with the majority and stand behind those votes.
Leah Petrilli
11:13 am on Saturday, September 3, 2011
Yes indeed I do feel that you are throwing money away at this point. The Civil Service Commission has ruled in this matter. What exactly are the legal fees to date if you would answer? I cannot seem to find them on the warrant list. Is there ever going to be an end point for this council or like the Energizer Bunny will it keep going and going and going? How does this benefit the people of Dormont when it keeps spending money and threatens public safety? What are the repeated requests to council that you refer to? Is it something like the other night the repeated requests from the public to know the answer of who, how and why if Mr. Dwyer is purely admiistrative that he was issued a police badge and ID card? Why if he is purely administrative that his salary draws from the police budget and not the administrative budget? Like when the public asked about why the hiring of the new assistant manager was a done deal and not and advertised position? Like that stuff? Oh and you didnt answer as to how and when the vote was held by council to file the appeal.
Lou Pietosi
3:55 pm on Friday, September 2, 2011
Mr Kelly remember Its people like YOU who make the community what it can be, NOT any politician. Ygry come and go but the residents of Dormont or any community remain! Don't let ANY politician change your decision about where to live! Good luck and I hope you remain in Dormont. In fact call me if you're looking for a mortgage! LOL:
Drew Lehman
5:01 pm on Friday, September 2, 2011
Lou, For you to say that I don't make the community what it is, to me is an insult. I just bought my second house here in Dormont and I think that I have done my share of volunteering. I have great respect for those who have given time to make Dormont a better place to live. I appreciate you coming back to help infuse some Rock-n-Roll into The Hollywood Theater. I will be there to see you and I think this is going to be a night to remember. There should be good feelings all around. Good Luck to you and the guys.
Lou Pietosi
3:56 pm on Friday, September 2, 2011
Oops! I meant THEY come and go!
Ed M
5:11 pm on Friday, September 2, 2011
I really doubt an article about Dormont or any other boro or township sells paper, Drew. It's time to stop trying to divert the attention away from the problem.
So, Drew, the flyers were sent to registered voters. How do you know that?
Lou Pietosi
5:13 pm on Friday, September 2, 2011
DREW NO my friend! That's not what I meant! I meant that people should NOT base their decision on which politicians are in office because they change over time. YOU as the individual, not the office you hold, are the one who makes the difference. In other words, I'd like to think your contribution to Dormont would be the same if you NEVER ran for office but instead were just a resident. Please don't take any offense. The fact that you commented to Mr Tran was purely coincidental to my advice to him and it was not aimed at ANY individual. We as people make our communities what they are, not elected officials. Their job is to represent the people. I salute your contributions as a resident and a man. The rest of it is your duty. And I do NOT know many details of Dormont politics these days so I'm speaking in general terms! Am in Dormont for the next hour. Call me for those tix!