Dormont Mayor: Ticket Dismissing Power Is Through Tradition
The borough's solicitor said the mayor does not have the authority to dismiss any tickets.
While there's no state or borough authority giving Dormont Mayor Lloyd power to dismiss certain tickets, to his mind, that doesn’t matter.
He cites tradition and compassion. Previous mayors have done it, he said.
“All I know is that I’m acting on that tradition here in this borough and (what) both magistrates that I’ve had to deal with have told me,” Lloyd said after Monday’s council meeting.
“If the magistrates have told me to continue to do it, who’s going to tell me something different? … Why, if you think it’s wrong, why would they tell me to keep on doing it?” Lloyd said.
During the meeting, borough solicitor Deron Gabriel said it was his legal opinion that Lloyd isn’t allowed to dismiss tickets.
Lloyd disregarded that.
Lloyd said he doesn’t dismiss all tickets and evaluates whether a ticket should be dismissed.
“I get your name and address and you have to tell me what the circumstances were,” he said.
“There are certain things that automatically would go to the magistrate. If it’s a moving violation, I don’t touch them,” he said.
Nor, he said, does he dismiss tickets for offenses such as blocking a driveway or fire hydrant, or parking on the sidewalk.
“If a person walks in with that type of violation, it’s automatic: they’re going to pay,” he said. He hears ticket matters during his Wednesday night constituent hours.
But if someone comes in with an expired inspection or registration, he'll tell them to get it taken care of then come back.
“That’s what we want. We want your vehicle inspected … Let me know and I will think about it,” he said.
Lloyd provides no accounting to council of dismissals and and his reasons.
“Nobody but except a few people here have even brought it up as a question,” he said of council members who’ve questioned the practice. “I’ve been doing it 18 years and most people have understood that process.”
The issue has come up several times this year. In February, council said it was looking into the matter, and recently, acting Chief Richard Dwyer told officers that certain tickets should be issued as state violations, not borough violations.
Lloyd defended his practice during Monday's meeting when Manager Gino Rizza asked him how many tickets he thought he dismissed. More than 300, Rizza said.
Lloyd pressed on with an example of tickets issued during street sweeping on July 11. During holidays, street sweeping is postponed. Lloyd said they shouldn't have been written.
"Now, if you come in here and say, ‘Look, I wasn’t around, I wasn’t aware of it.’ What would you do?" he said. "I’m not asking you to give me an answer, I’m saying, 'What would you do?'”
“We should be the protector of the residents,” he said after the meeting. “We should also be showing compassion to the residents."
David Fabus
3:23 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
WOW, I can't believe that they are now questioning whether the Mayor has the power to dismiss certain tickets. I guarantee that over the last 18 years The Most Honorable Mayor Loydd has probably at least once or twice dismissed tickets of family members of the same people now questioning his authority. Are ther any reporters that have time to investigate this and find the truth. Here is a good example of why the mayor should be allowed to do what he does. There are contractors and delivery people who work and travel throughout Dormont every day. With so many of the streets being permit parking only because of either the mass transit near by or the local business on Potomac and W. Liberty it makes it totally impossible for someone to find parking close to or at the property they are working at or delivering to. So naturally there are going to be tickets written, more so now that the new Sheriff is in town. Does council really want to scare off every contractor or delivery person because they don't want the hassle of being fined. I'm surprised the businesses on those streets don't complain more because of the limited parking and what it does to their business. Or maybe they do and it falls on deaf ears. All this bickering has really cast a dark shadow over Dormont that will take a long time to heal. To those of you ready to respond with answers to my comments, let me answer or comment IN ADVANCE. Hope I can respond on next page before someone reads this, Im out of characters.
Dormont Resident
3:26 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
So this is what you got out of that 2.5 hour Council Meeting? Seriously? Not the fact that Council appealed the Civil Service Commission decision without voting on it? Not the fact that they can't answer any questions anybody asks them? You get an article about how our moronic Boro Manager attacked the Mayor in the middle of that mess of a meeting about how many tickets he fixed. What a joke.
Dan Nephin
3:32 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
Sorry I can't write what you want to read when you want to read it, Dormont Resident. I have made calls to find out whether a vote was needed on the appeal. Obviously, Phil Ross' supporters, including councilwoman Joan Hodson, feel a vote is needed. Deron Gabriel, the solicitor, says a vote was not needed because it is a continuation of a legal process triggered by Ross appealing his demotion to sergeant. I may not even be done that today. There are also other issues I'm looking at.
David Fabus
3:36 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
I KNOW I can call ahead to the police dept or go to the borough bldg for a pass that shows I will be working on a certain street for a certain amount of time. Do you really think contractors want the hassle or have the time to do that every time they want to work in Dormont? How about heating or plumbing companies that do most of their work every day in Dormont because they have a great reputation? Should they have to hire secretaries just to be able to schedule with the borough when they will be there? How about they raise their rates to the residents of Dormont in order to be able to deal with that hassle. Evenyually contractors will refuse to work in Dormont. Do you think that will affect the property value of homes in Dormont. All this petty behavior is going to destroy Dormont and the participants(if they still live here) will be complaining and crying the blues when it was their fault in the first place. Does any of this make sense? Friends of Rizza and Council need not reply to that question.
steven
4:03 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
so just how many tickets have been dissmissed. many by the same people. and i have been paying my tickets faithfully. silly me. i have had to replace my curb several times from people parking on my curb for many many years, includling trucks. would like to know total amount this mayor just feels like dismissing....is it in the thousands. i don't care if you park for an hour or a minute. the law is the law. obey or pay. can't wait for the new parking rates to finally happen. my curb and sidwalk will be very happy
James Keaney
4:33 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
I can see the Mayor's point - but maybe there should be limits to how many can be dismissed, especially from the same license plate. That might be a good compromise.
Charles Stewart Parnell
4:43 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
What a joke! It's not legal to dismiss tickets, but the mayor will keep doing it. Are you kidding me? Good thing the taxes are so high to offset this kind of efficent government.
REG
6:22 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
Dormont is going to need all the money it can get to pay for the overtime and pensions of the gold plated PD. No more dismissing tickets.
Educating the Watching
10:08 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
FYI, the police fund their own pension. The boro does not fund it.
robert t
11:00 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Educating, that's false (What's it even mean? The PD receives funds from the Borough). The police pension fund receives contributions from police officers, the Borough, and possibly the State.
From, the Dormont Code:
"§ 48-21. Participant contributions.
Each participant shall as a requirement of participation pay regular contributions to the Pension Fund in an amount equal to from 5% to 8% of the participant's annual compensation............"
"§ 48-23. Employer contributions.
The actuary, in accordance with the Act, shall determine the minimum municipal obligation of the employer. The employer shall pay into the Pension Fund, by annual appropriations or otherwise, the contributions necessary to satisfy the minimum municipal obligation."
"§ 48-24. State aid.
General municipal pension system state aid or any other amount of state aid received by the employer from the Commonwealth in accordance with the Act may be deposited into the Pension Fund governed by this plan and shall be used to reduce the amount of the minimum municipal obligation of the employer."
robert t
11:00 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Continued from above...
Definitions from § 48-17:
"PARTICIPANT — An employee who has met the eligibility requirements to participate in the plan as provided in § 48-18 and who has not for any reason ceased to be a participant hereunder."
"EMPLOYER — The Borough of Dormont, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania."
§ 48-18. Eligibility requirements for participation in plan.
Each employee who is employed as a regular, full-time permanent member of the Police Department of the employer shall participate herein as of the date on which such employee's employment first commences or recommences provided all prerequisites to participation under this plan shall have been fulfilled, including but not limited to, completion of all forms required by the Plan Administrator.
REG
12:01 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
I'd like to see a story that calculates the pensions of the $100K+ (with OT) police officers. Even the $70K officers' pensions will likely be a budget buster in the not-too-distant future. At some point, the borough will have to raise taxes substantially, reduce police coverage....Not a good situation for the borough. Hard to believe these guys are willing to do this to borough residents, but there it is.
They're everywhere
7:38 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
Hey fun lovers, I have a good idea. Next council meeting I am renting a calliope to be placed in council chambers. To further add to the circus atmosphere, I will have a box of Ronald McDonald red wigs, one for each clown who attends. Finally a pair of size 16 shoes for each attending to finish off the motif. Red ping pong ball noses for all except the mayor, he has his own already. Gino and the new sheriff can wear black and white striped shirts and have a whistle to referee the show.
When Eugene wakes up at some point, Joan will hit him on the head with a big rubber hammer and he will reply, " Who'se on first?" John will second the hit and a split vote is expected.
A pole of the audience will be taken as to what day it is. The solicitor will declare this out of order, since he is unaware himself. The vice president will pass the gavel to anyone who wants it and Drew will roll his eyes in disgust. Kim will pull the string attached to Eugene's big toe and he will exclaim....."quarter to four". and fall back to sleep. OH BOY, I can't wait. I love the circus. Popcorn will be served by the front row ladies if they can agree on salt or just butter. Dan will take photos for National Geographic since "its a jungle in there". A reception will be held on the tennis courts immediately following, if they are regulation for that purpose. If not lets all skate down and look at the future skateboard park, hold hands, and sing Kumbaya and drink Kool Aide.
Dan Nephin
10:14 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
This gave me a good laugh.
dormonter
8:31 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
Thank you Mayor for making Dormont a respectful, humane place to live. Some would rather have Dormont be a nameless, faceless bureaucracy, where every resident, visitor, home health worker, plumber, etc., is tagged and penalized and has to spend a day at the magistrate's office. Funny it's the people who are decimating the police dept. who want to make this a police state.
Lee
12:32 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Are you thanking him for fixing your tickets? I would love to see the list of "fixed" tickets, then maybe it will be easier decision as to who to vote for this November.
Lorenzo
8:38 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
Well say I live in zone 5, its street cleaning day, I am aware so I park on a nearby side street zone 6. There is absolutely no other place to park at all. I feel I have done my duty bu clearing my car in zone 5 but hey I get a ticket. So I marched uo the police station and complained. Hey they took the ticket off me and said sorry. Now does that desk officer have more power over tickets than the Mayor ? And IF so where is it written ? Also some years ago I was getting ready to move my car first thing in the morning when my father cried out in pain as he was quite ill. I throw the car keys down and realize he needs urgent medicat attention. I get a ticket. Well the Mayor knows my dads situation and Hey I was and honestly ready to move my car. I have also paid some tickets without dispute. This attack on the Mayor is wrong . GINO GET A LIFE DUDE ! Wasnt it you when you got a ticket recently that walked thru the police station saying "Take care of this as you threw the ticket down ? " Grow up and quit attacking the Mayor. Go back to the construction company you owned I sure you must of made more money there, unless you stunk at that too !
Lee
12:36 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Just another way the mayor has messed up this community and people are still sticking up for him. lorenzo, you seem very childish, are you even old enough to drive?
Lorenzo
7:26 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Yes Lee I am old enough to drive and as matter fact I am old enough to vote too......imagine that !
Julie Overand
9:27 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
I have to agree with DORMONT RESIDENT's comments...2 1/2 hours at a meeting and you write an article on something that was discussed for 5 minutes...well I must say Dan, I am not surprised...so, suppose I throw a few topics that were discussed at length at last night's meeting and let the public comment...
The issue regarding which bullet proof vests would be more suitable for our police force...
A vote was taken to permits residents to install a 4ft. wrought iron fence in their front yards provided it allows for 70% visibility
The question was asked, but really not answered or explored in detail as to when a new contract with the borough secretaries and street workers would be reached..last talks were in October 2010...geez, here we are August 2011! That deserves some checking into Dan!
How about the discussion on whether or not the borough acted in accordance when filing the appeal for Chief Ross? Should a vote by council been taken before the appeal was filed, or will a phone call to a few members of council suffice?
Then there is the question pertaining to the legal fees. What were we, $12,000 over budget already? Remember folks, this was up through July and we have a long way to go regarding these legal matters. We are heading to County Court now. This over spending was brought up a number of times last night and only when Gino was asked about it, did he not answer the question, but then brought up the Mayor dismissing a few parking tickets.
dormonter
10:36 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
Great...thanks for the summary. Unfortunately the majority on council will dodge all of the important issues you raise as long as they are in office. I hope the ones that are on the ballot in November go down in flames. 4 ft wrought iron fences?! Ridiculous. I'm presuming it passed with the group of 4 clowns voting in favor. Does Gino have a friend in the fence business too?
Julie Overand
9:32 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
continued....
Did I mention that these borough officials went through an employees desk in the middle of the night scouting for said tickets? What happened to respect here fellows? If the borough solicitor felt that dismissing tickets was illegal, then why did he not speak up prior to this? How long has he been our solicitor?
There were quite a few other discussions that went on last night..adjourn - not to adjourn? I don't know Dan, I'll be happy to help you take notes in the future if you want. The public has a right to know everything..not just what you choose to print.
One other thing though..love this picture of the Mayor!
Dan Nephin
10:15 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
Julie, all I can say at this point is read my reply to Dormont Resident.
dormonter
10:38 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
The solicitor only does what Gino and the majority clowns on council want him to do...that is, tell them that whatever they want to do is legal, and whatever anyone they don't like does is illegal. No legal advice, just billable hours piling up!
Lorenzo
11:11 pm on Tuesday, August 2, 2011
This crap is so childish. Council gets pushed in the corner, loses the fight so the only way to swing back is tickets and attacking the Mayor ? Come on we are not that stupid. The said ticket situation never bacame a problem until Gino got knocked down a few notches by the civil service commision. Did you just learn about the ticket situation recently Gino ? I think NOT. How many tickets were taken care of for your friends and family ? I bet that could be dug up, sure you want to release those skeletons ? You know it's just sad when people you pay to do a job behave in such a rediculas manner. If a petition would mean impeaching their butts......count me in, I will go door to door and take signatures. Here is some good advice :TAKE JOANS OFFER ON MEDIATION ! Joan is the only one making any sense and she should be council president ! Save Dormont the expense of your vandictive behavior. NO MORE LAWYERS ! Sheesh you people just tick me off you act like its all your money to spend WELL IT ISNT !
Lee
12:43 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Dan is the list of dismissed tickets public? I would love to see how many of the tickets that were dismissed were issued to family members of the DPD.
Jenny
12:36 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
leave mayor lloyd alone! hes an extremely reasonable and fair man. the mere fact that im supposed to pay for a parking permit to park outside of my own apartment is so insane it makes me ill. im a single mom whos a waitress! show a little compassion to the people of the community u money grubbing ticket happy cops and council! if the people of dormont had any money we would live somewhere else! this place is a zoo!!!!!
Lee
4:39 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Jenny, we will leave him alone when he goes away. He is making so difficult for the DPD and the council to interact. He has directed officers to do things that they have actually been demoted for. He has been very selective as to who gets a break and who does not. I am just hoping the list of tickets that have been dismissed will be for public viewing, then I want your opinion.
dm
6:28 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
here's an idea. maybe they could demote the mayor to "beat cop" and let him walk the streets and give out tickets verses deciding which ones to dismiss. then they can hire another mayor and pay him $5000 per month while council decides its next brilliant move...
Mary Beth Kovic
6:44 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Dan -
1. This article: "During the meeting, borough solicitor Deron Gabriel said it was his legal opinion that Lloyd isn’t allowed to dismiss tickets."
2. Your response as to why you can't write about the more pressing issues discussed at the meeting including whether a vote was needed to file an appeal from the civil service commission's decision: "Deron Gabriel, the solicitor, says a vote was not needed because it is a continuation of a legal process triggered by Ross appealing his demotion to sergeant."
So you can write about the dismissed tickets without your own full blown investigation and not knowing who is right or wrong, but you can't write about the civil service appeal for those same reasons?? The NEWS story was there was a very serious dispute among council on whether an appeal should have been filed without a full vote of council.
Maybe you don't even realize how obviously slanted your "reporting" has become. Read the articles written by the woman who filled in for you while you were on vacation. Those were unbiased reporting.
Dan Nephin
8:50 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Mary Beth:
I also wrote: I have made calls to find out whether a vote was needed on the appeal. Obviously, Phil Ross' supporters, including councilwoman Joan Hodson, feel a vote is needed. ... I may not even be done that today.
Still looking into it.
The issue of the mayor and tickets, frankly, seems settled. There's no authority he can cite but tradition; the borough's own attorney says the mayor can't do it. He just does it. Maybe it's folksy and has a certain small-town charm, but it's evidently the wrong way. Maybe a state law could be made granting mayors such powers with appropriate accounting, but that's not what exists.
Lorenzo
7:32 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Lee, do you actually think those tickets were not already swept under the rug with all this commotion going on ? Come on how old are you ?
Jim
6:49 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Seriously people, stick to the subject of the article!!! Just what gives the Mayor the right to dismiss your ticket? You live in Dormont. You know when street cleaning day is. You know if there is a holiday, street cleaning is pushed back. Then you get a ticket because you were too lazy to move your car. Please explain why YOU don't need to pay.
Ed M
7:27 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
There are times when tickets are given out in error. I use to live on a permit parking street and I was tagged during permit parking time even though I had a permit visible on my vehicle. I was also tagged once when I was parked legally.
I agree the residents should know when street cleaning is. I don't think these tickets should be dismissed. I also think that illegal parking is enforced in a slipshod method.
Lorenzo
7:34 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Dan the artical said it was the sloicutors legal OPINION, with opinion being the key word here. Opinion is not fact !
Lorenzo
7:36 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
sorry for the typo ***solicitor***
Lorenzo
7:40 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
I respect street cleaning day , does anyone live near the trolly line and a plethera of apartment buildings. Try to find a alternate spot to park. Sometimes it just dosent happen ! Where I live it's the parking spot lottery ! dont stay out too late, dont go shopping because when you get back home you might have to put on your hiking shoes to get your groceries into the house !
MSgt. John DeLallo
8:15 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Perhaps, and I'm playing the devil's advocate here, the only worthwhile issue at the council meeting was Gino making an ass of himself again. Earth to Gino--parking tickets are routinely dismissed in every boro. Mayhaps you can find a municipality with a hard nosed Mayor who would never do that. Oooo, mayhaps, come January, you BEST find any community anywhere that does either anything or everything correctly, 'cause you'll be looking for work. And that folks, may be the hidden meaning in Dan's reporting. And yes, when in Dormont, I had Chief Lee pull back a parking ticket, and even Pat Schmotzer was known to "instruct" officers to trash one or two. The tickets are a non issue. Rizza's future in Dormont is going in the tank. Didn't I write, several times, that when in a hole, your first act ought to be to drop the shovel?
Lee
9:05 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Dude you are so jealous that Mr. Rizza got the job of the Dormont Manager and you were passed by. It doesn't matter what happens to the council members or Mr. Rizza's job, the gig is up for the Mayor and the DPD. If it was Mr. Rizza dismissing these tickets would you feel the same way???
Lorenzo
7:45 pm on Friday, August 5, 2011
How was anyone passed by for Boro managers job? It was never posted. If it was I personally want to see the applications from those considered for the position ! Just how old are you Lee ? Maybe your a old crumuggin that needs more fiber in their diet !
Dormont Resident
8:16 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Let's add that Gino was trying to compare the $13,000 (or more) that was wasted in the month of July alone on legal fees to the (maybe) $1,000 in tickets that were dismissed. Not a comparison! If he wants to attack the fact that tickets were dismissed, how about some facts as to WHY those tickets were dismissed - how do you know there wasn't good reasons? How many of you have gotten a ticket dismissed - even a moving violation in front of a Magistrate? Nine times out of ten if you go in front of a Magistrate to fight it, it gets dismissed. Quit attacking the Mayor, he has more knowledge and experience alone than all of those Clowns on Council put together.
Tom F. Boyle
8:19 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
!0 years ago or so,I came home late from my inlaws with my wife and kids sleeping in the car. It was late and I realized I had locked myself out. I borrowed and extension ladder and got in to my house through an upstairs window. I left the ladder on my ski rack over night to return it in the morning. I received a ticket for that. I didnt know it was illegal to have a vehicle with a ladder on it on the street at that time. I went to the mayor and he dismissed the ticket. Now I ask you all was he wrong for this?? The ticket writer didn't know the whole story but was doing his job as well. What is the right thing to do?
Mary Beth Kovic
9:42 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Dan-
There is still debate on the parking tickets. The mayor cited that the magistrate's say it is permissible. Did you research it or are you assuming the solicitor is automatically right in all he says. If so, one may question why the borough's legal fees are so out of hand. There is debate on both stories. I think you should report what occurred and allow your readers to do their own research and form their own opinions. I think you sometimes blur the line between your opinions as a resident and your job as a reporter.
Dan Nephin
10:01 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
I did call the district judge. He didn't call me back - a staffer had said it was unlikely he'd do so. He's not called me back on other ticketing questions.
If there's legal authority, I haven't found it. If I did, I'd have written it. If someone can point me to it, I'll write it.
dormont backdoor
10:01 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Mayor Lloyd is the only one up there with any experience and the lack of respect towards him is disgusting. Mr. Barilla, maybe on a good day. He however can only talk about the same things over and over and these issues pertain only to him....his alley, his sidewalk, his tree, etc. As I recall, Mr. Maggio ran for mayor. This makes me wonder if he would have continued with his wanting the dismantling of the police force from that position, or if he would be crying that this council was taking away his power because of who he is? I recently heard that Mr. Maggio wanted to run Mr. Rizza for mayor but felt he would make a much better manager. Mr. Maggio, assuming more power than a president of council should have and Mr. Rizza as mayor, who won't follow procedures and doing more damage from within. Add to this mix a solicitor who knows nothing at all about being a solicitor or the law. Either way, we are screwed.
Mary Beth Kovic
10:32 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Dan -
Exactly my point. You don't have all the facts on either issue (nor do you need them to write a story) and yet you CHOSE to report on one and not the other. Perhaps that is why some people will not talk to you.
Dan Nephin
10:48 am on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Mary, if I feel comfortable enough with what I have for one story, I'll post it. If I want to dig a bit more on another, I will. My choice. Sorry you don't like it. Go write to/talk to another media outlet then. See what response you get. My job, believe it or not, entails a heckuva lot more than Dormont borough goings on. So, if the story you want doesn't appear for a day or so, well, I just am at a loss for what to tell you. And I can all but guarantee it WON'T appear today, because I'm busy with other things. And if, say, the PG, or Trib or TV for that matter, come out with the story you want ahead of me, I will—as I've said and done before—link to it.
Lee
9:01 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
MBK at it again with the rude comments. Dan is just doing his job. If you feel that way about it, don't read the patch anymore - go away!!
maria
4:59 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
50 years in Dormont and as far back as i can remember if you got a ticket that was questionable you could go talk to the mayor on Thursday evenings to discuss the situation. Sometimes it might get dismissed, sometimes not. There are situations ,such as illness or missing a permit where in all fairness they would let you take care of it and the ticket would be dismissed. Belive me , me and mine have paid our share and maybe once or twice there was a valid reason where it may have been dissmissed. Julie overand seems to have reported on the goings on of the meeting. Dan, you might just want to report on the minutes of the meeting and leave your one-sided one issue report out.
Drew Lehman
5:57 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Maria, you are basically telling the story about what is wrong here in Dormont. “We've done it that way for years”..., does anybody notice that we have one of the highest millage rates in Allegheny County?? How did that happen? It got that way because leaders in Dormont weren't paying attention and when the going got rough the council just raised the taxes instead of trying to find out where the deficits could be harvested from. The most important issue in Dormont is not public safety, schools, pools or potential skate parks. Those all make up what we are as a borough. The single most important issue in Dormont is getting our finances in order. Unfortunately in the process of doing that we've uncovered some things that a small group of people didn't want us nosing around in. As if it weren't any of our business?? Well guess what it is our business and your business We should all be living within our budget. EVERYBODY... And there are many people in Dormont that agree with me- you may not- and others on here obviously do not but if you peel back the onion you will find that most have personal relationships/friendships or are related to the those directly involved with the improper use/abuse of taxpayer dollars. Oh and before you haters out there bring up the legal fees, should we as a council and the Borough Manager just let this occur unabated the legal fees will be pennies compared to the next tax hike that will surely come if we do not stand up for YOU the constituents.
Lee
5:51 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Ya maria, it would get dismissed and come election time, who did you vote for???? It is still illegal, just like parking in a designated spot for 10 minutes is illegal. The mayor should be made to repay all the tickets he dismissed, especially the tickets that were issued to a relative of the DPD or his relative by accident. I am sure the average Joe did not have his ticket dismissed.
maria
12:08 pm on Thursday, August 4, 2011
Excuse me Drew and Lee i am the average joe. I have NO connections whatsoever to the mayor or the police force. Or to council . I'm just an average resident who has lived here most of my life! i may have moved out for a year or two but my family has always been here. My grandmother lived on one street my mom the street over my aunt on the next street one of my apartments was on the next street over. I have paid for tickets when meters ran out or when and if i was parked illegally . So have friends and family there may have been a couple times in fifty years where one of mine got a ticket that was questionable. Now,how do you explain the legal fees that council has incurred at the expense of the Taxpayers? If you think compassion is a bad thing then maybe you should move out of dormont . And I can tell you I won't be voting for the existing council come November because i feel like you are wasting MORE OF THE TAXPAYERS MONEY than that "small group of people" And I DO believe that Public Safety IS one of the most important issues in Dormont or anywhere, for that matter! Maybe if you hired a boro manager that knew what he was doing you wouldn't be voted out. You got onto council pretending you had the heart of dormont with your FODP platform but i am sure the residents of Dormont could do it without your help. How do you justify paying a man $5,500.00 a month to look through parking tickets? Get over yourself because i think most of the residents of dormont have!!
Bama
6:30 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
I did, when I first moved here 16 years ago I was parked on the wrong side of the street with my flashers on because I was helping my mother who was handicapped into the house, she was no longer able to walk on her own & it took extra time to get her in & settled. When I came out of my home I found a ticket on my windshield for parking on the wrong side of the street. i went to the Mayor who was kind enough to dismiss it for me. I am not related to him or anyone else in this borough & I came from the city where the city magristrate would do the same thing for you if there was a good reason. Have I paid other tickets here in Dormont yes I have I have paid tickets for expired meters that I forgot to put my money into or did not have a quarter at the time & I was only running into the business for a minute, did I go & ask the Mayor to dismiss these? No I did not because they were deserved. I wish this in house fighting would stop. I will say that one of the reasons I moved here was because it was a nice family oriented community & was run by a council & Mayor who seemed to really care & wanted to make the community better for us & our families. Gino Rizzio step back & get onto the business of continuing to make Dormont a great place to live. Quite picking on the Mayor & move on.
DormontMOM
6:40 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Well here's a thought since Dormont has contacted the Pittsburgh Police to take over the Police detail for Dormont, once council has dissolved the Dormont Police Department, the mayor will not be dismissing any tickets...
Lee
8:44 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
I can't wait until the city of Pittsburgh takes over the DPD.
Lorenzo
10:24 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Yep Lee, (I mean Gino) I bet you cant wait. Just like we cant wait for election day! I still say this has a hidden agenda, so what is it Gino ? By The way How old are you ?
maria
1:36 pm on Thursday, August 4, 2011
do you really think the Pittsburgh Police will patrol our streets more effectively than our own force ? Do you think they would be more diligent? Do you think they would install Gino's GPS systems so that he could monitor their movements? I THINK NOT
Tom F. Boyle
6:52 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Not everyone is right, not everyone is wrong. Maybe the mayor took care of his own maybe not. Who in this world doesn't help people we know in a pinch. I have paid my fair share of tickets in Dormont as well as others. I was dismissed on one occasion that I should have been. But the mayor wouldn't know me if I were right in front of him. I Beleive that he is trying to do what is right. Not waste money. Maybe his time has come and we shoul be a cold hearted community.
The council will have to make tough decisions. But haven't they had a few years to get this solved anyway. Don't hire new Police and let them retire and get the number in line to where it needs to be. If it isn't the mayors decision don't blame him for the problems from tickets being dismissed.
Diane Reiche
7:54 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Just because the borough solicitor has a legal opinion that the Mayor isn’t allowed to dismiss tickets does not mean that it is against the law... Key word here is OPINION!
Ed M
2:35 pm on Monday, August 8, 2011
All of those are alleged. Nothing has been verified or proven.
Sue
9:14 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
I've worked at Kaufman's credit and I'm a supervisor of a loan center....finance charges, late fee and bounced fees are waived daily.....waiving a $15 dollar ticket vs a $1500 legal bill..how can you compare????
Dormont 2012
10:17 pm on Wednesday, August 3, 2011
Reply to Drew:
a·loud /əˈlaʊd/ adverb
1. with the normal tone and volume of the speaking voice, as distinguished from whisperingly: They could not speak aloud in the library.
2. vocally, as distinguished from mentally: He read the book aloud.
3. with a loud voice; loudly: to cry aloud in grief.
Born & Raised in Dormont
7:53 am on Thursday, August 4, 2011
Drew,
Keep digging you'll eventually get their! or NOT looks like the hole you and your other council members have dug yourself into will have to be fixed by someone else. "The single most important issue in Dormont is getting our finances in order" are you kidding me with this comment? That has never been councils most important issue. "Unfortunately in the process of doing that we've uncovered some things that a small group of people didn't want us nosing around in" Nosing around is that what you want to call it? I guess when the boro manager and his goon have to go through someones personal stuff that would be considered nosing around? At this point I guess you will call it anything to try and help you get out of the deep dark hole you are in? Get over it all ready you LOST its time to move on. The residents of the boro have told you how they feel about you and council don't you think its time to throw in the towel and move it along to another project that hopefully you won't screw up as much as you have done in this case. As far as the legal fees go that is just apples to oranges to the parking tickets being dismissed. Mayor Lloyd you are doing a great job for the boro keep up the good work.
Sue
6:27 pm on Thursday, August 4, 2011
The borough has spent $50,340 on special legal fees, including labor attorney fees, this year. The total budget for the year was $30,000.
Quoted from the post gazette...they way I look at it...The Mayor can waive one thousand $15 tickets and still not come close to what Council and Gino have spent....
dormonter
4:46 pm on Sunday, August 7, 2011
Intro to this article states: "While there's no state or borough authority giving Dormont Mayor Lloyd power to dismiss certain tickets, to his mind, that doesn’t matter." Fact check BEFORE you write Dan. In your rush to post something you are printing outright lies!
Just Mom
5:45 pm on Sunday, August 7, 2011
I agree dormonter. Perhaps Dan should explain this....
Leah Petrilli
6:02 am on Monday, August 8, 2011
An apology to the Mayor from the writer would be a nice start. Just saying.
Ed M
2:36 pm on Monday, August 8, 2011
An apology to the Mayor from all his accusers is what is needed.
David Fabus
12:37 pm on Monday, August 15, 2011
Drew, in your coment you blamed all the past leaders of Dormont for raising and having the highest millage rates in Allegheny County. Did you make any attempt to get it passed through council to lower the tax rate. You complain about it but do nothing to solve the problem. Oh, that's right the great council and manager attempted to take down the Fire department, Police department and Most Honorable Mayor in order to save Dormont and struck out. All the while raising the legal fees to just a little more than the "pennies" you said it would be. By my accounts and in baseball that is called a strike out. You're Out!! Now please show us the numbers on how much the pool drains from the boroughs budget each year. I'll bet that number more than exceeds the $66,000.00 paid to the "new sheriff in town" who will only require 5 to 10 % increases each year like the one given to the assistant manager. The next tax hike you refer to will be the result of the current council and management not thinking before they acted. Guess what? The constituents of Dormont do not want you to stand up for them anymore!! SIT DOWN!!!
As for Lee(DUDE) and the rest of you that still make stupid comments about the Mayor and DPD, how much more proof do you need that the manager and council were wrong. Why are you all not demanding to see who else excused tickets? Because the answer may be someone you know and support!!! Demand and answer, be a man!! And apologize to the Most Honorable Mayor like a man too!!
Drew Lehman
1:05 pm on Monday, August 15, 2011
LOL, you are mad because we haven't lowered the taxes, but say nothing about those that raised them. David do you even live in Dormont? I know that you are related to one of the demoted officers but I don't see you volunteering or lending a hand here in our town. By the way as I stated earlier the pool is doing better then it has for many years. I know that you don't like facts to get in the way of a good rant.... You are biased, but that your right. Just set the record straight for us...
Bryan
3:21 pm on Monday, August 15, 2011
"By the way as I stated earlier the pool is doing better then it has for many years. I know that you don't like facts to get in the way of a good rant."
I wonder what the profit was to the borough for the pool last year? And since the pool has seemed busier this season, what is the anticipated profit for this year?
Saying the pool is doing better is one thing, showing us numbers is another. Maybe we are wrong? So how much profit did the Dormont Pool make last season?
Drew Lehman
5:36 pm on Monday, August 15, 2011
Bryan, there are no community pools that operate with a profit. Please see this article- http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10147/1060841-55.stm Pools are there for residents to cool off, relax or meet with or make new friends. The idea of a profit is a dream, what you want to try to do is lower your operating costs where possible. You guys always aim for the pool when you want to deflect blame or bring up costs. Dollar for dollar the pool is not a "drain' on our budget, it is simply the cost of doing business as a borough. Should we close Dormont Park, Pop Murray or the Rec Center? None of those assets make a profit for our borough but I don't see anyone aiming their glare at those valuable destinations. Now let’s get back to the tickets- I will be VERY interested in finding out who dismissed the rest of the ticket and I will be VERY interested to find out who's license plate had 35 tickets dismissed. If its anyone on council I will be very disappointed.
Lee
10:52 pm on Monday, August 15, 2011
Oh, patrolman burke is related to the fabus' through marriage. Wonder who else knows?? That is why the fabus' are always running their jaws and are so bias - explains a lot.
Leah Petrilli
7:41 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
@ Lee. It was the Justin FABUS band that played at Molly Brannigan's for the Friends of Dormont Pool Fund raiser on July 23rd. For the record.
Bryan
3:29 pm on Monday, August 15, 2011
I also wonder why we have yet to hear who dismissed all the other tickets that were not done by the mayor. I mean our new chief put all that effort into investigating this and he only uncovered the tickets dismissed by the mayor? Or was he only instructed to look for the tickets dismissed by the mayor. Perhaps Gino and council do not want the rest of us to know who dismissed the other tickets huh?
If it is a money issue then any dismissed ticket regardless of who dismissed it cost the borough money right? Perhaps Gino or a member of council would like this looked into and posted on the Patch as well.
Ed M
10:08 pm on Monday, August 15, 2011
I'm also wondering who dismissed all the other tickets. And I'm betting we will never find out since it won't look very good to those who tried to pin this on the mayor! Right, Drew?
Lee
10:40 pm on Monday, August 15, 2011
What is the mayor's response to dismissing 35 tickets for the same person? How could someone actually receive 35 tickets without paying for one? Wow, what kind of a low life scum would allow themselves to receive 35 ticket to begin with? Oh the mighty mayor has done it again!!!
Dan Nephin
10:50 pm on Monday, August 15, 2011
Two things: 1. The mayor did not dismiss 35 tickets for the same person. The mayor didn't dismiss any of that persons, I'm told. Relatedly, 2., acting chief Dwyer said an array of employees has been dismissing tickets, but the way they are dismissed, or excused, or what have you, you can't tell who actually dismissed them.
I've already written that here: http://patch.com/A-kPjD
Ed M
7:04 am on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Does this "array of employees" have the legal ability to dismiss tickets?
Bryan
9:26 am on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Thanks Dan for once again pointing out that some of us need to actually read the article before sounding off like a clown.
So my questions are these, who is the 35 violation person? Has any member of council had any (even one or two) tickets dismissed? Who is dismissing these tickets? Why can't our new high priced "Chief" find this out by investigating? It should be looked into and published! If you’re going to attack the mayor for this and claim the borough is losing money then you had better find out who dismissed the rest of the tickets! Stop attacking those you don't like and actually fix the problem!
What this is....a bunch of political BS!
Drew Lehman
9:42 am on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Bryan, I'm sure that Chief Dwyer knows who had 35 tickets dismissed but does that fall under the "right to know" law? I don't know. I think that Dan explained about the other dismissals and I think you are barking up the wrong tree if you are inferring that council had anything to do with them. I'm not sure about your "political BS" comment, if it was Gino or any other council members that dismissed these don't you think that the worm that always releases the dirt would have brought this up already?
Bryan
10:07 am on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Drew,
I don't think at all that it was Gino or any member of council that dismissed tickets; however I do KNOW that Gino and members of council have had tickets dismissed. Maybe not 35 but one or two for sure. So when is it right and when is it wrong to dismiss tickets?
What I am saying is you all know who is dismissing these other tickets and so does the "Chief" why is the "worm" not releasing this info? I don't know? My guess is that right now the "worm" wants the negative attention on the mayor. It is a game that's what it is! You mean to honestly say you all don't know who dismissed the other tickets? Come on?? You know who it is, maybe not each individual ticket but you know the "others" that do dismiss them. The thing is it makes for a better story and helps Gino's cause if we play bash the mayor. That's why it is political BS!
David Fabus
9:33 am on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Drew, my comment about the taxes was in regards to what YOU said about the tax millage and who raised it. You complained about it and don't make an effort to lower it. I understand the need to raise it occassionally because cost of goods and services is always goign up. I also know that historically Dormont has always had a slightly higher millage rate than others around us. The difference is in the assessed values of the it's properties.Comparing two of the same houses in Dormont and mt Lebo would show Lebo's house to cost 20K to 50K more which means that the house in Lebo would cost more tax wise than Dormonts even though the millage is lower. Even though I don't live in Dormont it will always be my home, is where most of my family and friends live and where I have done alot of business. I do support alot of functions and have supported lots of booster teams and events along with the fundraisers on Potomac and the save the pool functions. In fact I didn't see you at Molly Branigans for the last pool fundraiser, where were you? Don't question my support and love for Dormont because I don't agree with what council has done to the Fire and Police dept and the Mayor. Instead look at these facts presented in articles on here by Dan and the Patch. The civil service commission over ruled the council on it's vendetta against Chief Ross. UNANIMOUSLY!! Council wants to waste more tax dollars to fight it. Do you really think they should??? More on next post.
Dan Nephin
9:37 am on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Bryan:
Bryan: The borough is not allowed to say who got the tickets. That's apparently a PennDOT law. I'd run into it occasionally when I was with the AP. You could probably get the license plate numbers by filing a right to know request though. But the borough can't say "Plate DHJ1234 belongs to Joe Blow."
David Fabus
9:56 am on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
The council then attacked Sargent Burke for doing his job not because he is a bad Police officer but because of a vendetta against him and because he works alot more overtime than some others do. What they don't report is that Sargent Burke takes overtime because several of the other officers pass it up all the time. What else was missing was the fact that alot of overtime came while the DPD was requested for details by outside venders. Again council won't tell the public any of that. Council next attacked one of the most dedicated and honorable men Dormont has ever had, Honorable Mayor Lloyd. Honestly, man to man, do you really think that was the right thing to do or was it because of what his role has been with the DPD and their issues with all that?? Dan and the Patch reported that the President of the Pa mayors association says the Mayor has the right to dismiss tickets but yet council and it's FOGAC continue to twist it to question his authority and what he did. Why is council not demanding to find out who else dismissed tickets. If they are going to attack the mayor for that they should attack whoever else did it. RIGHT??
Council's attempt to cut budget costs was nothing but attacks on innocent people who questioned their authority but have given their ENTIRE lives to protecting Dormont and making it a better place to live. Is this a bias opinion or does any of this make sense. I think there are alot of apologies owed to some Honorable Men!!
Dan Nephin
11:32 am on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Here's who Dwyer told me has dismissed tickets that he knows of: The desk officers and the police secretary. I hadn't included them by position in the initial article because they weren't the focus. Dwyer said at the time that they told him that's how it's always been done. It wasn't my intent to single them out.
The issue was, and is: Is there accountability in the process and does the mayor have authority to dismiss tickets as he does? When an "E" is written on the ticket, with no name of who excused it or why, then I would say no. Bottom line, Dwyer said, is you just can't tell who all is dismissing them. As for the mayor, yes, the president of the state mayor's association says he can and the mayor says that's how's it's been done. Dwyer and the borough's solicitor maintain he cannot. That's where things stand.
David Fabus
12:16 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Great article Dan, sheds a little light on the subject and hopefully shows to some that the Mayor is not abusing his power by doing so. Hopefully Dwyer and the solicitor will see two things from this. 1 Maybe there is some value to Dormont and the Magistrates office by dismissing tickets that will waste taxpayer dollars if fought and sent to the magistrates office only to be dismissed. And 2 maybe there are personal issues within the council and manager that have wasted enough of their time and Dormonts tax dollars.
Bryan
12:50 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Thanks for the clarification, so there are plenty of others in the borough that dismiss tickets as well, not just the mayor.
So what we have is the following:
1. Tickets have been dismissed by several people within the borough offices for a long time.
2. The mayor does have the power to dismiss tickets.
3. The accountability process is suspect at best.
So instead of all this turning so ugly like everything this borough manager and council touch, instead of the mayor being attacked and drug through the mud, or any other borough employee for that matter, could this not have been solved by a simple memo to all Dormont borough employees that stated the following:
The on-going practice of employees of Dormont Borough dismissing parking tickets is to cease immediately! The borough needs the money generated by the parking tickets, so even though we were trying to be folksy and nice here in our little town the time has come to pay up if you violate our parking laws. From this point on the mayor is the only one permitted to excuse tickets. Thanks for your anticipated cooperation in this matter.
See how easy that was? But instead a worm leaks dirt to the Patch about the evil mayor dismissing tickets and costing the borough precious dollars. Dan looks into it and finds it is true so he writes a good story that we all read and comment on, some of us defend the mayor, some of us bash the mayor but it makes a good headline.
Bryan
12:57 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Then when our borough manager is backed into the corner at a council meeting he comes out swinging at the mayor about dismissing the tickets even though he KNOWS that many other do this too. He also knew about this a long time ago! like the time he got his ticket dismissed. But now you have the negative headline to try to deflect the crap (for lack of a better term) off of you Gino. See that’s how political BS works, when your down and out (like our current council) and you can't find anything positive to say about what you have done you come out and attack someone else! Suddenly a "worm" leaks "dirt"
Things could be so much better in this borough if the man at the top (Gino) just knew how to communicate, and when he screwed up the council took him to task instead of deflecting the problems first on the fire chief, then the police chief and now the mayor!
David Fabus
11:52 am on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Lee, DUDE! You must be a genius! Judging by some of your comments about the Mayor and DPD I am amazed at the amount of knowledge you have. We are not afraid to show who we are but for some reason you are. I don't need comments from others saying that you don't have to write your full name to prove your point in an article. If Lee is going to attack people for who they are, who they support, how old they are or what they write, the least he could do is say who he is instead of hiding behind a name. For all we know Lee might be a girl so I should say he/she when addressing him/her although I don't know many girls that say "DUDE". Either way I'm guessing that YOU are closely relayed to the current manager or someone on council because you continue to say things on their behalf or support what they do. Even after the civil service commission told your friends they were WRONG for how they acted in demoting CHIEF ROSS. Even after Dan and the Patch showed with his article from the President of the Pa Mayors association that your friends were wrong and that the Honorable Mayor Lloyd has the right to dismiss tickets. You still try to attack the Mayor about the 35 tickets to the same person. Keep reaching like your friends and I'm sure you will find something credible to cry about. I know you, management, council and FOGAC will never admit you're wrong and give apologies to those attacked, so yes we will continue showing our support to the Chief, Sargent and Mayor. Good luck!
Lee
12:42 pm on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
No "genius", I am not "relayed" to anyone that lives in Dormont. But, I do live here and nameless or not, my vote counts, unlike yours - support your own community.
David Fabus
12:05 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Bryan, great comment. I never thought there being a worm but you are right. So now we have a "worm, stool pigeon and a rat working for the borough. All filthy animals. Time to get the exterminator!! Oh wait, that's what the primaries and November elections will take care of.
Lee
12:44 pm on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
Does your brother'n'law, patrolman burke know you call him and his friend names? Tisk, Tisk, no Christmas present for you this year!
Dan Nephin
1:09 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Bryan: That's not exactly how the story played out. The issue of the mayor dismissing tickets first came up in January at a council committee meeting. I had been asking since then for how much money was involved, tickets dismissed, etc. The numbers weren't available until, apparently, Dwyer compiled them. There was no leak. It just took a long time to get answers because of how the info was kept (or not kept.)
Bryan
3:32 pm on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
Ok thanks Dan, but I still don't understand how it is just an issue of the mayor dismissing tickets? That's all that has come out till now. The people on council and the borough manager all of a sudden act as this is news. Tickets have been dismissed by the mayor and several others for a long time. Everyone in Dormont knows this. I assume Gino did too. This is something I would have addressed early in my tenure as borough manager. Maybe the mayor can and should do it but the employees are controlled by Gino. So if you don't like it put a stop to it.
When only one side of a story comes out it just smells fishy!
Ed M
2:33 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Sounds to me like the real problem and money loss is not the mayor but these others who are are dismissing tickets. No one answered this yet - Are these others legally allowed to dismiss tickets? If not, what is being done to stop this>\?
Drew Lehman
2:53 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Good question Ed, you would have the potential that some might get their tickets dismissed but other may not. Not a good situation.
Leah Petrilli
8:42 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Another good question is what is this special voting Council Meeting being held Monday at 6pm? And why isnt it on the Boro calendar of events? Could you answer Mr. Lehman?
xxxxx
9:06 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
The announcement didn't say it was a voting meeting,
xxxxx
9:22 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
But then you never know with this group. Our all knowing solicitor and our great Borough manager might just do what they want anyways.
Leah Petrilli
9:27 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Very true Leigh. The rumor mill is that this IS indeed a voting meeting, and that it is in regard to the Ross Appeal. Interestingly the rumor has it that Joan Hodson will be unable to attend so we all know how this vote will go.
Ed M
9:50 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Well, Drew, how about you look into this and let us know!
Leah Petrilli
10:04 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
LOL Ed, Mr. Lehman’s response will only be something about the joys of the Dormont Pool and/or parking tickets. However, in Leah’s perfect world , at the special meeting on Monday a rare case of temporary sanity will break out among council and they will vote to instruct the boro solicitor to withdraw all appeals in regards to the Civil Service Commission rulings as well as the lawsuit filed against the Civil Service Commission and then ending the meeting in expeditious manner. Sadly, in grim reality the Council will conduct a sham vote on proceedings already initiated by the boro solicitor after the fact, thereby allowing the boro solicitor to submit even more billable hours at the taxpayer’s expense for this hokey meeting.
mary pitcher
11:33 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Leah, Is there a suit against the Civil Service Commission by the Borough? I think that this has been discussed and found not to be the case. Personally, I dont see how the Borough could sue people they appointed to act on Borough matters? Just doesnt make any sense!
Leah Petrilli
6:28 am on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
As Leigh stated above the boro solicitor and boro manager do pretty much whatever they want and lead the council around by the nose so anything that transpires at this “special public meeting” will come as no surprise to this resident and taxpayer. I am fairly certain it is going to cost the taxpayers more money however. It will be interesting to see who votes , in light of the fact that Joan is unable to attend. In the past, Heather Schmidt has abstained from voting due to being a neighbor of the person in question so I fail to understand how she keeps voting on matters which involve Gino Rizza, in light her publicly admitted relationship with him. The case I refer to is this:http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/pittsburgh/s_693353.html
“Dormont Council has approved a 10-day, unpaid suspension for police Sgt. Ralf Zawischa.
Borough officials would not comment on the reason because Zawischa has indicated he will take legal action to appeal the suspension, said Solicitor J. Deron Gabriel. Council's vote Monday to suspend the sergeant was unanimous, except for the abstention by Councilwoman Heather Schmidt, who is a neighbor of Zawischa, Gabriel said.
Zawischa has an unlisted number and could not be reached for comment. It was not known whether he has legal representation”.
Dan Nephin
12:54 am on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
There is NOT a suit against the civil service commission. The paperwork erroneously referred to as a suit is essentially a form cover letter that was included by the county court as part of the appeal. I think it's technically called a notice to defend. It could be confusing to a person not experienced in legal matters. As for the meeting Monday, I'm not fully aware of the details. Been busy with other things. I'll cover it.
Leah Petrilli
6:32 am on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
This meeting announcement has been quietly sitting in the Post-Gazette legal notices since August 11, 2011:
http://classified.post-gazette.com/details.asp?id=16638899
Legal Notices
Public Notice
Borough of Dormont
Borough Council
Meeting
The Dormont Borough Council has scheduled a special public meeting for Monday, August 22, 2011 at 6:00 pm in Council Chambers at the Dormont Municipal Building.
I still dont understand why its not been placed on the Boro Website announcements of events.
Ed M
7:05 am on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
Ooh! I know the answer to this! Because Council doesn't want the residents to know about it!
Bryan
9:11 am on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
Why would this not be on the borough's web site, facebook etc?? Drew.....comments? More political BS!
Mary Beth Kovic
1:00 pm on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
Interesting and also suspicious that not ALL of the councilmembers even knew about it. Voting meetings must be advertised 10 days in advance or they would be violating the Sunshine Act again. So, what's being voted on?
Drew Lehman
9:29 am on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
Bryan, I'm not sure why this isn't on the web site. I will request that it be put on there.
Bryan
10:30 am on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
Thank you.
Ed M
1:50 pm on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
How is that investigation into the other employees legal ability to dismiss tickets coming, Drew?
Drew Lehman
3:07 pm on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
Sorry Ed I only respond to people I know, or people that have the guts to attach a name to a question.
Ed M
6:52 am on Thursday, August 18, 2011
Nice dodge Drew. You might not know me but I am using my name. How about answering the question instead of attacking the questioner?
Leah Petrilli
7:07 am on Thursday, August 18, 2011
Ed Mr. Lehman already responded to a question "with a name attached" above here(points up), and to you as a matter of fact! You just asked the wrong question this time. ;)
Drew Lehman
2:53pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Good question Ed, you would have the potential that some might get their tickets dismissed but other may not. Not a good situation.
Joseph M. Costanzo
9:42 am on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
There must be a new line item in the budget for duct tape for repairing police cars. How pathetic.
Bryan
10:31 am on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
Hey Joe some of that duct tape is the good stuff, official fire department issued duct tape! I thought the new color scheme looked nice?
Lorenzo
8:09 pm on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
I thought police car maintance was Gino and boy wonder's job ! Ohhhhh maybe buying the duct tape was an executive decision ! Does Gino know what his job is ?
Leah Petrilli
10:14 pm on Thursday, August 18, 2011
LOL! I cant wait until the spinners go on the "unmarked" car to complete the ghetto look! ;)
Joseph M. Costanzo
10:51 am on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
So does that mean they took it from the fire dept. budget and applied it to the police budget? (rob peter to pay paul).
xxxxx
5:43 pm on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
I really don't think Carol, Vicki or Sherry have access to tickets. An intelligent person would think more like the desk people or the police secretary or lets try the tax collector.
Lorenzo
8:16 pm on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
Ok so why did it take an over paid chief with no arrest power to figure the ticket thing out ?. I will NEVER believe Council had no knowledge over the years . And honestly I would think the Boro manager and boy wonder should of had that one pegged just to prove they are really working towards a raise they so feel they deserve. How convenient is the timing of all this now ? Makes ya wonder hmmmmm ! This is like the most pathetic soap opera I have ever seen.
Ed M
7:52 am on Friday, August 19, 2011
Yes Drew responded to my question, Leigh, but he didn't answer the question I asked.
teresa caprio
4:41 pm on Monday, August 29, 2011
So who paid for the stamps, envelopes and cards demanding the impeachment of Mayor Lloyd that were mailed to the citizens of Dormont? Who has that kind of money? Who would do that to a man who has given 40 years of his life to the community of Dormont? Couldn't a meeting have taken place to talk things out before using John Birch Society tactics? I hope the citizens of Dormont find out who mailed these cards and who paid for the supplies to do this.